Fyi

DESCRIPTION

ATROPINE SULFATE Injection, USP
0.1 mg/mI (Adult)
0.05 mg/mL (Pediatric)
ABBOJECT® Unit of Use Syringe
Atropine Sulfate Injection, USP is a sterile, nonpyrogenic isotonic solution of atropine sulfate monohydrate in water for injection with sodium chloride sufficient to render the solution isotonic. It is administered parenterally by subcutaneous, intramuscular or intravenous injection.

Each milliliter (mL) contains atropine sulfate, monohydrate 0.1 mg (adult strength) or 0.05 mg (pediatric strength), and sodium chloride, 9 mg. May contain sodium hydroxide and/or sulfuric acid for pH adjustment 0.308 mOsmol/mL (calc.). pH 4.2 (3.0 to 6.5).

The solution contains no bacteriostat, antimicrobial agent or added buffer (except for pH adjustment) and is intended for use only as a single-dose injection. When smaller doses are required the unused portion should be discarded.

Atropine Sulfate Injection is a parenteral anticholinergic agent and muscarinic antagonist.

Source

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/atrop.htm

Atropine.....

George:

Thank you for the reply. I am very familiar with the components of atropine. Spent fourteen years in medical research. Think you or I may have to provide definitions for some people to some of the words in the description of atropine.

Think getting into the synaptic junctions of nerve cells and the effect of atropine on the central nervous system might be getting a little deep, but if anyone wants the information, I would be happy to provide it.

S/F & best regards,

Gordon

Fyi

Clicking on the source link and following on by clicking on the highlighted words will provide many of those definitions

Atropine

Will check it out...might be a good read for a rainy day.

S/F Gordo

BuzzardHMM-361, I too have a mucous problem. I began developing a problem swallowing shortly after I got out in 1975. Now it's gotten to the point where I can barely swallow at all, even semi-liquids.

NBC School Exposures

Well, I have been remis in providing this info in a more timely fashion.

This is some of the information provided to my doctors by the Department of the Navy.

Solution of chloroform of mustard gas.
Solution of chloroform of Lewisite.
Solution of chlorpicrin
Undiluted phosgene

Additional exposures to:

Picloram
Cacodylic Acid
2, 4 - D
2, 4, 5 - T
2, 3, 7, 8 - tetrachlorodibenzo - para

What is amazing is the sentence in this letter directly after the above listing, and I quote:

"Each student is exposed briefly and warned not to sniff simulents."

The above being the case, then why expose anyone to the damned chemicals? We were told to sniff them in order to recognize the smell and associate it with a specific chemical, for those that did have an odor. My favorite one was I believe phosgene, it smelled like geraniums.

Now, if anyone cares to look up the above adverse effects by these chemicals on the human body...well, there is plenty on-line. In fact, I have an actual newspaper clipping of a story run in the Hartford Courant on January 6, 1993 regarding exposure of WW 2 vets being exposed to mustard gas. It only took the VA twelve years to finally render a decision and to even bother trying to locate the exposed vets! Now that is one hell'uva reaction time. Christ, if I ever reacted that slow at the drag strip I'd never win a race.

For me, this entire situation has been a 38 year battle with the VA. During the school I came down with a scabby rash on 30% of my body that comes and goes to this day at least three to six times a year. I get it treated at the VA, and pay for the treatment, despite the fact multiple treatments were administered while still on active duty, and to the present. I also developed rhinitis while attending the school, migrain headaches, multiple cases of pneumonia, blood clots and respiratory secretions(medical examination post service showed damaged esophagus & bronchials/private physicians at Mass Generalall agreed it was caused by chemical burns) ...all treated during active duty and to this day. I even flunked my flight physicals a few times due to the situation...and duly recorded in my med file. My VA file just for this situation stands at least a foot or more in height, contains military medical evidence, outside medical evidence, and treatment evidence, but the VA still claims there is no association. And yet, the VA is now looking for WW 2 vets who were exposed to just mustard gas!

I have gone so far as the court system now utilized by the VA...and traveled to Washington, DC to do so. Heck, the person representing the government (yes, they have someone there from the Justice Department) fell asleep at his table! It was of little use as they decided there was no connection between my medical maladies and exposure to the chemicals while attending NBC school.

I have not given up the fight, and hope this fairly new revelation pertaining to WW 2 vets and mustard gas exposure will allow me to petition the VA and request that all veterans exposed to the gas be considered in the process. I mean, mustard gas is mustard gas...why should it matter what war you fought in to be considered?

Anyway, the above is a brief description of the ongoing battle and some info that might help others. If I can help anyone here with the info I have, please let me know.

S/F Gordon

1943 gas exposure

In 1943 while at Cherry Pt NC we were run through a Quonset Hut filled with what was stated at that time as Tear Gas. We were instructed to enter clear our gas mask put it on than walk throught the hut, remove it momentarily than exit. I had badly burning eyes and throat & was gaging for some time. This was part of our prep for oversea duty. Another was to jump off a 35 Ft tower with our full uniform and gear into the Nuese river. Supposed to simulate the distance of a jump from a ship if required. I have a very high alergic reaction to all chemicals, news print results in burning eyes and skin and actualy causes my hands to ache until I can wash them. I was also exposed to agent orange in 1964 while recovering an H34 spray ship that had been shot down near Phan Thiet. Had the stuff all over my hands etc. Didnt realize at that time what it was. Have been through the VA exam for agent orange, such as it was. A 15 minute visit with a doctor in Honolulu. Have had rashes for years that does not respond to medical treatment. After my exam had no response from the VA that would confirm anything. SF PM

Chemical Exposures

PM:

Based upon your description, I would say you were exposed to CS (tear gas). The symptoms are classic...burning eyes, runny nose, burning skin surface, watery eyes. Now that does not mean you did sustain damage from the exposure. Eveyone has a different reaction to exposures...some people tolerate it well with no after affects, while others have lingering reactions to exposure.

The largest area CS attacks are the sinus passages in the skull, and the trachea, and lungs. The CS can actually do permanent damage to the epithelial skin layers of these areas. It is a fairly simple test to check the morphology of those areas...all they need is a small biopsy. If there is permanent damage it will show up when they look at the prepared stained specimen sections under a microscope.

As to the skin rash, if it does not fall into the category of chlorachne the VA will do nothing. Again, they can take scrapings from the rash, prepare slides in an attempt to classify the cause of the rash, and they can also prepare cultures from the scrapings to see if anything grows like a fungus, or some form of bacterial infection. From these two methodologies they can determine if it is parasitic cause, bacterial, fungal, or chemically induced. If they did come up with a positive ID, and the only areas of the world you could have contracted it is in a tropical environment (something indigenous to that area, like Nam), or it is strictly due to chemical exposure damage it could bolster your case for a claim.

You have to start out by identifying what you have. You can then do the research and build a case. I would suggest going to a local college that has a tie in with medicine (a medical school, nursing school, medical technologist school). Explain the situation to them and see if they would assist you? Many of these schools are greatful to actually do a hands on study...especially at the graduate level to complete degree requirements. You would become a little bit of a guinea pig so to speak, but it could be worth your time and effort. In New England, we have a number of medical school/research schools that love to do this type of stuff.

Good luck, and if I can provide you with any help, please let me know.

S/F Gordon

Slightly different subject

Regarding public perception of veterans' exposure to chemical and biological weaponry:

I have been a participating poster on the Toxboard website (, http://toxlaw.com/chatboards/blackmold/ ) due to the poisonings my son and I have experienced in the last 22 years. Please check some of the other "chats" within this site.

Below is an excerpt of recent postings that I hope you will look at.

http://toxlaw.com/chatboards/blackmold/topic365/8.12.05.05.11.03.html
Re: Dougie Schmuggie
Posted by Deano on 8/12/05

Deborah:

Your penchant for seeing phantom persecution and conspiracy in the writings of others
is exceeded only by your love of melodrama. The fact that Gulf War veterans
experience illness, disease and symptoms at the same rate as the general population
is lost upon you. Similarly, the same can be said for Viet Nam veterans with alleged
exposure to “Agent Orange”. To you, and others like you, there always must be a
hapless victim and a moneyed villain, and to hell with any of that scientific
gobbledygook which runs contrary to your vision of how the world works.

How any of this translates into insults of war veterans is a mystery, the answer to
which resides only in your addled mind.

Good day, indeed.

On 8/11/05, Deborah D wrote:
> Deano,
> Ah!, now I understand....you add insult to injury: you are now implying that the
> returning Gulf War Veterans are malingerers, slackers, and hypochondriacs, just
> like the Vietnam Veterans, and like mold-survivors. Once again you make my point
> for me. Tell me, have you ever served in the military?
>
>
> Since you just insulted all veterans, including my uncle (WWI), my father (WWII),
> my husband (Vietnam War), my brother-in-law (Korea), my other brother-in-law
> (Vietnam War), and numerous cousins and other relatives, I must cease any repartee
> with you as I have no respect for you, your intellect, your conclusion, or your
> ethics. You have made abundantly clear that you disregard the truth as well as the
> freedoms my ancestors fought for, but you do feel compelled to exercise those
> constitutional rights at my, and others, expense.
>
> The only thing left is to trade insults and that is counter-productive, besides, I
> shall not go into battle against an unarmed man.
>
> "The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil
> men."
> -Plato
>
> Good bye,
> Deborah D.
>
>

Deb

Who is Deano?

Deano:

Would be more than happy to discuss your claims and assertions regarding chemical exposures experienced by veterans in Nam and Iraq 1.

The Academy of Science, Center for Disease Control, Ranch Hand studies, VA financed studies and many other studies from around the world, especially in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Italy, England and Iraq refute your absurd comments.

It is interesting to note, WW 2 vets exposed to mustard gas had nothing to do with the recent decision by the VA. It was the VA who finally admitted after decades of data on these vets that something was amiss. It is the VA that initiated this search for these vets. WW 2 vets were not clamoring that something be done.

Gordon

Who is Deano

G,
Unsure, he won't give any info. The post I pasted here, and you replied to, is on toxboard.com, the black mold section. It is a board dealing with legal matters and you will see that there are other segments/chats/forums within toxboard but all deal with toxic tort.

May I have your permission to copy your post to that board, or will you consider posting it there?

NBC Exposures

Deb:

Be my guest and post it wherever you see fit.

I cannot say I know a lot about molds, though I did work with many during my medical research days. Much has changed since that time so I'm not up to snuff in that area.

If I can help anyone in any way, please let me know. I'm current on NBC/WMD's developed and used by the US and other foreign countries.

Best regards,

Gordon

Thank you, Gordon

Gordon,

Thank you so much, I have reposted your answer at toxboard.com.

I have read up on chemical and biological weaponry and warfare a bit in my quest for information on the stuff we were exposed to in rented dwellings. I was stunned to find that military housing was all too often contaminated with all sorts of chemicals along with the usual disrepair. So now I don't feel so alone having this experience in civilian residential rental property-used to feel particularly unlucky, or that someone just didn't like me.

One of the things that led me to delve deeper into bio/chem weapons was the discovery that aflatoxin, toxin produced primarily by aspergillus flavus(there are so many types), was used to make weaponry, as were tricothenes from another fungus. Rand.org has a book on-line that discusses the various types at length. Also, some info on chronic versus acute exposure.

I alreadly knew that chlordane was basically the active ingredient in nerve gas from earlier research. Geez, like I have said before, ignorance is bliss as long as it is theirs and theirs isn't killing you.

Thanks again.

Deb

Mustard Gas & VA

FYI:

I was recently notified by the VA that they will consider claims from any veteran who was exposed to mustard gas.

If anyone feels they have a legitimate claim I would suggest submitting one.

Some of the symptoms from mustard gas exposure:

Difficulty breathing
Abnormal mucous secretions sinuses (rhinitis, sometimes conjunctivia)
Abnormal mucous secretions lungs
Abnormal epithelial cell layer in trachea, lungs = abnormal mucous secretions
Multiple respiratory infections
Possible pulmonary problems that create general cardiac problems
Skin lesions/blistering (they may come and go)

S/F Gordo

Mustard gas exposure

Any and all information about the intentional exposure to mustard gas while in CBN training is needed to assist a veteran with unexplained illnesses file a claim due to said mustard gas exposure.
send your personal accounts of training exposure including size of scarring and any other health problem
Also send information you may have concerning va and claims for Mustard Gas exposure to Larry@nam-vet.net
thanks
Larry Stimeling