Missing Black Box

The Air Force has lost the black box. They said they didn't know it had one, and when they went back to get it, it was gone. That is the best cover up of engine failures I know of. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

Lurch I've seen a video, I think from a Columbia logging machine (V107) with the camera outside shooting at the airframe twisting. It's awesome how much they twist, but I think you'd see flexing of any aircraft if you mounted outside cameras.

V-107 logger

Lurch, Tim, each week there is a program on Dish, channel- Encore, named Helli-Loggers. I've missed it several weeks, but believe its on Tue, or Wed., 7, & 8 pm. They have a 47 with modified fuel tanks, and a 107 they call the vertol, and its Air logging in Canada/British Columbia. The only thing is they repeat it so often. There is a Lady flying the 107, does a good job, like the men that Fly the chinook. Believe they call the 47 the chinook. Other than Star Trek, I can only watch re-runs so many times. There are a few programs of it I don't mind watching, when the 107 is working Flying the logs out, but as said, the program is repeated a lot. They have haulled at least 4.3-4 ton on the 107 before. They have very good video out the windows, and all around good shots from the various angles. With a scale on the hook-up they can know how much they carry each load. They always carry on how much it costs the company to Fly the 107, and its 15 thousand Dollars an hour for the slick. I've said before if its that much, we set the Gov. back close to several hundred thousand Dollars per Day flying the 46, 10-11 hours a day. Thats with the Crew, guns and ammo. Hope its still on, and you can catch it. Hope its not in between making programs of it. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

yes sir Tim

they all flex and twist ,flap and flutter 😮 lol

Eng nacell placenment

what about the supposed design flaw of low press air being feed into the rotor of the V-22 ? faster you try to go into a zone the worse it gets !just asking ? any one know ? :confused: as usual. sf kc

yes Sir Tim

Lurch, I've seen slow motion of the ak-47 firing auto. You can see the barrel flex pretty good. Thats why its not very accurate, in my opinion. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

eng nacell placement

Lurch I believe its something they can't do anything about. I followed the 22 pretty well, and was pulling for it, but lately I don't care about it one way or the other anymore. Semper Fi, and READY-APP..

Ace

I guess the AK was good enuf though huh Ace ?glad it wasn't/isn't better !and I'm still pulling for the V-22 usedin the proper mission rolewith the CH-46X! but I know it's just a dream ! I still don't care to go up in the wild blue any more ! sf kc

Ak-v-22

I do agree Lurch. I'm glad it has that problem of jumping around, on auto fire. I realize why Dale felt it wasn't effective. I agree with him now, because of that. I too am still pulling for the 22, don't like it, but it has a place in the Mission of the Marine Corps, BUT it can not replace the Helicopter, wether its the 46, or some other Bird. Hope it turns out to be a very good system. It had better be, as much as has been spent on it. Hate all that water is coming your way. It'll be a good deal more snow for you being at the altitude you are. It'll be very much more colder as well. Hate that. I'm not against women being CO's either, its just I hate to see one promoted ahead of more deserving men that has earned the right to Command. But the Services has changed a lot over the last 40 plus years, and people like me hasn't. I believe I know a lot about Fixed Wing, and Rotor Aircraft, as well. It all doesn't matter though. It would be nice to sit around with a Bourbon and coke, maybe a beer, and put down posts, but I don't. Can't even take cough syrup. You stay warm, and Dry. As cold as it is there, you won't have to worry about mud slides. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

I'd like to see the flexing flick of the AK-47, I'm going to do a Google search.
Found it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_E_GJayano

Well the front is here and the wind is humming goes right through you . With all the humi air here 40 here I think is worse then 25 in Ny. SF

Air Force Crash in Theatre

This thread is off subject. The nacelles had been in the vertical position for a hover to a spot landing, I would believe. I was wrong about the 45 degree position. The right engine failed, after an improper start the first time, and one had flamed out, and re-started in flight, not determined which in the report, as it was Not reported then. Never will find out from the black box as it was lost as stated. Wouldn't show the start of the mission, but could have been possible, if the mission had not been a long one. As in Helicopters, an engine loss of power wouldn't have caused a droop condition(a drop in Nr). The first reason of suspect after hard starts, and flame-outs, is Fuel contamination. They can find that out if they want to still, but believe the report will stand as is, unless command is changed, and the investigation is re-opened. I would hope the Marine Corps would be more through, as the reputation of Good Pilots, and crew is at stake. The contaminated Fuel should have been found in the Pre-flight, if that was the cause of engine malfunctions. Looks like its a done deal now though. At the First sign of engine malfunction, had I been the Pilot, would have aborted the mission, for an immediate landing else where in a Friendly spot if possible. READY-APP.

The A I B been reopened once already !

and they changed the crash speed to 75-80Knots IFAS .Shakespeer read the AIB report when IT came outta DENMARK ! :mad:! . Off topic ? GET EM Ace !cause what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander 😀 sf kc

CH46As

Joe,you & I go back a ways. Coming out of NAS,ADJ & BASHEL school.,I was cut orders for LTA,Santa Ana.,HMM 164.

Mike,
I had a harder row to hoe than that...I went to AD(R) school and no bashel! Went to HMM-365 which had UH-34Ds and was just beginning the transition to new CH-46 Super Ds. ALL OJT for me. Never turned a wrench on a 34 but did get to FAM school on the 46 and got to fly there some prior to RVN, which is why I REALLY appreciated the D and F models after the "A" models! Spent a lot of nights/weeks on Check Crew learning the bird before I was allowed to fly even as gunner! Was really glad to get to the Flight Line, most took it for granted, I never did!! HATED Check Crew!

Joe if you had come to 262 August of 66 you could have been a crew chief right out of A school thats where most of our crew chiefs xame from. We got 265's trash when they where getting ready to go to Nam. Took them on a carb cruise and had mostly short timers. We took 20 AC we where so short handed we only had 2 sections. I was one of the section leaders only had enough crew chiefs for 9 but was lucky the Captain's gig got loose and hit one of my AC causing rework damage. We used that bird for spare parts. Before the cruise was over I had both sections as the other section leader had to go home . When we got back to New River In August of 66 they transfered all the short timers and we received kids from A school but they learned quickly and most made real good Crew chiefs. SF

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In August of 66 they transfered all the short timers and we received kids from A school but they learned quickly and most made real good Crew chiefs. SF

Walt,
I just WISH I could have learned the bird with you. I was in 365 in 66 and we were just beginning to get the new Super "D"s. My "trainers" weren't nearly the Marine you were/are! Still, we got the job done on some old Alphas and we learned fast as well! Nothing like a trial by "combat"! LOL!

V-22

Off Subject. Thought this was for posting about the V-22, not the 46, or 363. READY-APP.

The AIB re-opened once

Lurch, hope they reopen it again. It needs it with a complete new Safety team. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

Thread Closed

Believe the posts have expanded well past the intended purpose and scope of the thread