I have a couple of good friends that used to fly the 107's for New York Airways when they used to land on the Pan Am Building in NYC.

I remember when I was in HMX and we went to Ny to pratice landing on roof tops .mostly we landed where the 107 did it was kicks flying around all those tall buildings. If I remember right they went out of buisnees because they where losing money.
On the gunners belt I don't think any one normal wore one in 262. In 34's we wore them for externals and SAR pratice or for a real SAR but not for troop lifts or just boreing holers in the sky. SF

death toll ?

I think its around 34 or so in the V-22 🙁 sf kc

Flashback alert

Dale, I had to do a double take as well. Thats one of the better scenes of the movie. Glad that Bird is still Flying. Hope you and all have a Great Thanksgiving. S/F, Brothers.

Phrog Flying Clint

I do so agree Lurch. That makes the most sense I've heard in a long while. I've been harping on it as well, but you say it much better. The 22 is good to get reinforcements to places for the 46 to take them on in. Guns Blazing. If they would get a fleet of the newer 46's, I'd slack back on the 22 a whole bunch. They would Both have an important roll to play in our Corps. I enjoy the Helli Loggers. That brings back lots of memories. The last program, the 46 carried over 4.3 tons, but it was slick. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

Good Friends

Thats Great Tim. Bet they loved it, almost as much as we did flying on them. Just curious, what was the reason They stoped the service with the 46? I've always thought it was the Aft Plylon problem, but never for sure found out. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

loosing money

Walt, that is Super. I can imagine the fun you Men had. I agree, a good Crew Chief had to be on the move way to much to use the Belt in a 46. I can see using it on the 34, as the Crew Chief is so close to the hatch all the time. Just hate there was not enough bussiness to make a profit for them. The program Helli-Loggers, they always say its 15 thousand Dollars an hour to operate it. That is an enormus amount of money. To think we flew turning 10 to 12 hours a day, that would be close to 200 thousand Dollars a day, per Bird. Now I see the profit margine loss. Semper Fi.

death toll

Thank you Lurch. I had thought it was close to that. The 22 is a good Bird, its just it would have a good number of problems going into zones we 46's did, and still do. The gun scopes on the 22 cause the gunner to get sick at the stomach a lot. Hate that. I do hope it is improved to a 50 cal.-360 bottom fire,then it would have a shoot out ability, and be there with the 46. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

Not beating on Lurch.

lurch;29892 wrote: Been Doing alot of research on the V-22 . Only 5 crashes and 8 notable incidents in 20 years is pretty damn good ! NO it's not the 46 ! it doesn't have to be ! I think they should remod the 46 and build em both ! 🙂

Not beating on Lurch. Just got on site. Reading. 20 yrs for V22 NOT. When I was in 8th grade. The Vtol was on Popular Science Mag. Watched this with hopeful ambition. This was L.B.J yrs. mid 60's. I was in HMLA-267 77-81. Buddy, Sean P. Joyce and his Bro-in law Gunny Leader first joined to do PAX river and exceptance flights at Bell. Lost them both at a 92 Potohmac River crash in 92. Too many moving parts. It's flight path kill zone is way too large, no recovery. Also with the acutual flights hrs spread over the years, it is a lot of loss. What, more than 18 on one crash? By the way, just asking, does it aways crash on it's top? Keep the 46/107. The 53 is Marine.

Ace I seem to remember one rolling over on the roof top, they probably thought it was unsafe. But it also had to be quite costly. There are still helicopters landing on roof tops in NYC but much smaller ones.

rolling over

Morning Tim. I hate to hear that. Glad they are still smaller ones using them. The winds I'm sure are bad most of the time. I believe Walt was saying the Company had trouble with the profits, and that was a reason as well. I watch the program on encore-Dish, the Helli-Loggers, and they are always saying the 107 vertol(46), they are using costs 15 thousand Bucks an hour to operate, and it would be really rough to make it profitable. The Bird thats in the picture is still in service and Flying good. Thats incredible. We Flew close to 10-12 hours a day, or turning, and I've said earlier, thats close, or over 200,000 Dollars a Day. We set the Gov. back a lot of money if thats the case. Parts, and Maintenance included in it too. It would be good if another Defense Secretary decided to approve the program Lurch was mentioning, a newer version of the 46 with composite material, and bigger engines and blades, maybe a longer body as well. The 22 wouldn't be so bad if it could auto-rotate, and parts were ready avaliable. Not sure if thats the problem with up time or not. I think I heard that was one of them. Hope you do have a very Good day, with Family and all. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

Ow !

HEY Rigger , let's face it all the air craft have problems the 46, the 53 !!! & now the V-22. i'm not gonna bad mouth any more till I have more facts .there's Marines flying in them and they know more about it than we do ! I heard Alotta Crap about 46 s & I figure it ain't doing the V-22 crews any good to be put though the same $#!T nuff said ? semper fi ! kc

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Lurch, I too have been negative about the 22. The 46 crews were not given big bonuses to change over like the 22 Crews were. Some got well over 80-90 thousand to switch over. I still believe boeing knew well in advance the 22 would have problems now, and for at least 20 years plus. The blood is on their hands for the Billions of dollars they made, and are making off the 22. I am not talking about the Crew, just the Bird. I will still say what I have to on the 22, and just hope the Crews enlistment time, and bonus times will run out, and they can get out alive before it starts having any more critical parts failures. I still have to say,'When it can auto-rotate, I'll leave it alone', to a degree. Its like going into a Hot Zone with your pants down. Wouldn't want to do it without a good gun system. Its been mentioned I believe about why they crash on their tops. When you have a difference in RPM on either Rotor-Prop and engine, it will flip to the weak side. Just plop on its top. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

flipping

Ace your right about the flip problem alot of multi eng/prop air craft have that curse ! look at the P 38 (i think) from WWII .as for bad talking the V-22 everybody can of course say what they please we all have that right. I'm just saying I'm not gonna do it cause I think it is bad for morale of the crews !I saw how it affected some people in the 46 community to here the 46 called "crowd killers,flying coffins,shake &bake,widow makers,tail droppers,blade breakers,twist turn crash &burn,etc . I used to just laugh cause at least I was flying and they never called US $#!tters LOL 😀 sf kc

Flipping

I heard that Lurch. I also seem to understand what your saying about the 22. BUT, its the only way to get the problems found and Fixed. They called me and my 46 all the names as well, but when their cheeks were squeezed tight, and/or bleeding bad, needed to get out of the zone, or needed to get in to save our Brothers on the ground, they certainly didn't mind riding on the famous Bird.(crowd killers, flying coffins, shake and Bakes, widow makers, ETC). The 22 has hidden problems, and it has NO guns, plus so many other don'ts, or can'ts. It was a money maker for boeing, and thats a fact. Most all asked for it, and or were paid to fly on it. I'd rather keep myself in the engine shop, until it has a 50 cal., total 360 downward fire ability, and I have not seen one yet fly on one engine. It may have, but let them show it. Thats almost as much as a top line Fighter Aircraft, BIG BUCKS per unit, and it looks like now they are trying to split the mission of it to other Birds, that can do auto rotations, Poss. Buttonhooks, and 20-25 second inserts and extractions. The 46 did, IS, and will keep on doing it until they are just pulled off the Flight line. It certainly could do all those things and more. I can not believe they hate it so much. The B-52 is over 50 plus years old, but they are praiseing it, not the 46 though. Its too old. A certain congressman(house man I think), named(well he wears glasses, was re-elected, and wants to tax the rich and small bussiness, do as much as he can to take money out of our pockets instead of helping us) in my opinion is too old too, but he is still trying to take money out of my pocket and yours as well. This new christmas tree bomber from somali or wherever, acted alone, SURE like I can run 7500 miles an hour. When they are caught with their cut off arm in the cookie jar, march them out, and do a Firing Squad. BUT NO, they will let him go, he is just mis-guided. You bet though, he acted alone, Yea, like a missle. There are women now as Crew Chiefs on the 22. I know a woman would NOT hold up doing the missions I, and we had in Vietnam on the 46. Not a chance. Sexist, NO. Just a realists. Lives can not be played with. I remember of only getting less than 23-24 hours a week sleep on the 46, 2-3 hours at a time. The rest of the time we were Flying 10-12 hours a day, and working on it until 01:30 plus am, and getting up at 04:00 that morning, and doing it all over again, 7 days a week. I doubt a woman can do that. I'll get blasted for that, as sure as I'm sitting here. Makes about as much sense as having a fairy in your fox-hole looking at YOU, instead of the enemy shooting at you. Make a unit made up entirely of the homosexuals, and let them go man. Hands in each others pockets,like the ARVINS did. I witnessed it on a daily basis longer than I cared to remember, but what could you Do? I could wear Bibles out swearing on them, but they will do what they are going to do.Period. I'd still like to see South Korea be made into an Island, totally surounded by 1000 miles of water in all directions. May be just whats going to happen. The games will continue, and we'll see. My foot is in the mouth bout as far as it can go now, so had best get. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

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I hear what you're sayin' there Ace 🙂 sf kc

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Lurch, can't believe the boxer, or the bull dog looking one hasn't put me out to pasture yet for talking bout the women. I don't like it they making them do jobs they are not ready for yet, just to fill a quota. Mens lives are at stake. They are cutting down the picture of a Combat man with Gods hand on his shoulder now. Oh they stepped over the line. I'm just glad God had his hand on me and many of my Brothers. BUT the muss-slums that want to build the mosque at zero, now wants government money to build it. They won't cut that down. I smell the fish, and I'm getting stopped up a bit. muss-slums,(I'm a very bad speller), can do anything they want, but we can't even Pray in school now. We have to let them pray 5 times a day. I still smell the fish. Has oil in it, but I smell the fish. Stitches is so 2 faced, as the democrats in congress are, but doesn't matter. Still say Bush was REPUBLICAN, AND HE HAD TO FACE A DEMOCRAT CONGRESS, BUT ITS ALL HIS FAULT, YEA MEN, ITS ALL BUSHES FAULT. Professor is still harping on it, and can not get out of campaign mode. We can live on hope and changee. Right. Sure. He can fill up Air Force one on hope and change, and let him fly with that. I believe they should put a hit on the kid that is leaking secrets on wikileaks, but it will nev-ar happen # 1 GI's. Looks like pakistan is reaping what they have been sewing. (Big Plane crash. Hate the innocent people died in it).I would like a athesists come to my house, and try to convince me there is no God. I warn them, I don't play fair on my Private property. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

Air Force CV-22 Combat Crash

For info, go to ' 24th MEU returns to States. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

John Ace Hunt;30029 wrote: Lurch, can't believe the boxer, or the bull dog looking one hasn't put me out to pasture yet for talking bout the women. I don't like it they making them do jobs they are not ready for yet, just to fill a quota. Mens lives are at stake.

HMH-464 got a female CO in September.
http://www.marines.mil/unit/2ndmaw/mag29/hmh464/Pages/CO.aspx

woman co

Looks like I'll bite my tounge instead of being banned. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.

Sore tongue !

Well ya sure can't call her " THE OLE MAN " but I can hear all the new ones Owwwcchh !!! Bit mine too ! 😀 sf kc

Todays Miltiary.com web site is an aricle on the accident's board finding of the Air force V22. They came to the conclusion it was pilot error. SF

hma1369;30707 wrote: HMH-464 got a female CO in September.
http://www.marines.mil/unit/2ndmaw/mag29/hmh464/Pages/CO.aspx

She has 5 Air Medals and a Combat Action Ribbon, and she wears the Eagle Globe and Anchor. I'm wishing her well and a big "Semper Fi!"

I wish her well and congradulatons !

any time any one assumes command of a unit they need all the luck & prayers they can get ! sf kc 🙂

5 air medals, CAR, and EGA

None of those qualify anyone to be CO of a Helicopter Squadron. Its just politics as usual. Glad I don't have to be in it. Which squadron will have the first homo Co, a woman at that?