An up close and personal interview with Marine Veteran and Togetherweserved.com Member:
GySgt Paul Moore, USMC Ret (1942-1963)
WHAT PERSUADED YOU TO JOIN THE SERVICE?
I was a Copy Boy at the Associated Press in DC on the Sunday that Pearl Harbor was attacked. I went to HQMC at 8th and I Street in Washington DC and enlisted.
The Battle of Wake Island was also a part of my motivation for enlisting. I had friends that were POWs in Japan after their gallant stand at Wake.
(ED note– The battle of Wake Island 8-23 Dec 1941 began four hours after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Because of the International Date Line it was December 7, 1941 in Pearl Harbor.)
BRIEFLY, WHAT WAS YOUR CAREER PATH IN THE SERVICE?
After Boot Training at Parris Island and a subsequent transfer to Quantico, I attended the AMM School [Aviation Machinist Mate] a six month course at Naval Air Station in Jacksonville, Florida. I then attended the [NAP] Naval Airplane Pilot Enlisted Flight Training at Dallas-Fort Worth in 1943. It was a six month, six days a week course on all the aircraft maintenance and included Morse Code for messages and ship’s blinker light. Also included was training with semaphores (flags).
At the time I was there, April 1942, we trained on the old bi-wing aircraft and included wooden spar and fabric work that dated back to the World War I era. Our training aids were real antiques that would be great museum pieces today. The Marine Corps was still equipped and operating much as it had since WWI. By that I mean $21.00 a month, marksmanship pay for Sharpshooter $3.00 a month and Expert $5.00 a month. Flight pay was an additional 50% of base pay. Only rifle was the Springfield 03, we wore canvas leggings, high top dress shoes, starched cotton Khaki and still had a live bugler giving us all the duty calls. The runway at Quantico now where HMX-1 is stationed was under construction; Cherry Point and El Toro had not been constructed yet.
Later, I served as a crew chief on the Torpedo Bomber - TBM Avenger. Then in 1950, I served at HMX-1, Marine Helicopter Squadron One, the first Marine Corps helicopter unit and long before it became the Marine One, Presidential squadron. During my career I have served as Line Chief, Assistant Maintenance Chief, Operations Chief, and Logistics Chief in helicopter units throughout the Corps. I also attended the first Marine Sergeants Major class in 1954 at Parris Island.
DID YOU PARTICIPATE IN COMBAT OPERATIONS?
I first landed in New Hebrides Islands, Espiritu Santos for preparation for the Caroline Islands, [mid 1944] Palalua Island, Atoll Ulithi, where we bombed Yap, a bypassed Japanese Island, and patrolled the islands which included Pelilieu. I was in The Battle of Okinawa in 1945 with Marine Torpedo Bombing Squadron 232 (VMTB-232).
I was in Korea from February 1953 through March 1954. Our mission was evacuation of wounded, observation and artillery spotting, etc. As crew chief I also participated in many of those missions. I also served in Marine Observation Squadron 6 (VMO-6), 1st Marine Brigade, Tongarii Site A-9 in Korea in 1953.
In 1963 I delivered UH-34 helicopters to Danang from MAG-16 in Okinawa. Later, I was a civilian contract adviser to Vietnam Air Force Helicopter units from 1964 – 1968 at Danang, Nha Trang, Saigon and Binh Thuy in the Delta.
Also several other operations including the "Frequent Winds" evacuation of Saigon in April 1975 and a super secret trip to Oman in late 1979 for the Embassy prisoners in Iran.
DID YOU RECEIVE ANY AWARDS FOR VALOR? CAN YOU DESCRIBE HOW THEY WERE EARNED?
I only have the "Combat Action Ribbon," which I am proud to have earned for ground combat defense and an incident when the Japanese landed suicide troops at night from a twin engine bomber at Yomitan during the Battle of Okinawa.
Other than that, I have the Presidential Unit Citation and the Navy Unit Citation both of which our units earned.
It is sad to say, but unit records during WW II were poor or nonexistent from units. In those days, the unit diary was daily hand scribed and mailed to CMC once each month. Mostly officers were the recipients of the personal awards.
While flying H-34 helicopters with the US Air Force Advisory Group in Vietnam 1964-1968, I received the Republic of Vietnam Air Service Medal from the Vietnamese government. I am not sure how they worded it or what it was for since it is written in Vietnamese. I know what I did during World War II, Korea & Vietnam and don’t require medals to confirm it. Many did things that would have equaled the criteria for an award. However it had to be witnessed and written up by someone.
OF THE MEDALS, AWARDS AND QUALIFICATION BADGES OR DEVICES YOU RECEIVED, WHAT IS THE MOST MEANINGFUL TO YOU AND WHY?
MAG-36 Plaque from all my Brother Marines while at Okinawa 14 Years 1973/1987 as Senior 53 Rep. Was on" Frequent Winds " Operation evacuation of Saigon & Desert One Prep for "Eagle Claw" rescue of U.S. Embassy Personnel in Iran. Alao 14 "Team Spirit Exercises in Korea & exercises in Philippines & Australia. I solved several serious problems which resulted in Airframe changes etc.
FROM YOUR ENTIRE SERVICE CAREER WHAT PARTICULAR MEMORY STANDS OUT?
The Battle of Okinawa! There were a couple hundred thousand dead bodies, ours, Japanese military and thousands of civilians. The smell erased any appetite one may have had for the C-Rations! We watched the Kamikaze attack on our fleet each day. We were bombed and shelled day and night on the coral air strip - Kadena. We were constantly in and out of our fox holes. You could hear the Japanese artillery fire only about three to five miles away to the South. You could count thousand one, thousand two, etc., and tell how far they were from shot to shell impact. At night, when the Japanese bombers came over, our anti-aircraft lights would show them overhead and the heavy flack shrapnel would fall back all around us.
One night, Japanese twin engine bombers flew in a few feet off the ocean and landed wheels up with suicide troops that had satchel charges destined for our aircraft. All had sub-machine guns and firing at tents and everything. We were in mass confusion, firing at whatever moved in the dark! The KIA arrived, stacked in 6 X 6 trucks like stove wood! Our troops were buried in a trench about three or four feet deep, and were wrapped in their poncho or shelter half, one dog tag in their mouth, one nailed to the wooden cross at their head and then covered up. I had a constant dread that I might be buried in that manner far from home!
I also served in Korea in 1953 with the extreme cold and the extreme wounds of some of our evacuees. I remember the strong smell of dried blood in our helicopters! At times, I think back and remember my crash in the Vietnam jungle near a river when the tail pylon came off my CH-34C in 1966. I was certain that it was the end of my life.
How do you separate these to one memory? However, one really good memory was when I soloed in an old biplane as an eighteen year old Corporal and buzzed trains, cattle, barns and the like throughout the Texas landscape! I received fifty percent flight pay and that aircraft all to myself, just me and the wind; smile. What more could an eighteen year old red-blooded American want . . . except possibly a pretty young lady?
WHICH INDIVIDUAL PERSON FROM YOUR SERVICE STANDS OUT AS THE ONE WHO HAD THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON YOU...AND WHY?
The young Corporal Drill Instructor that screamed in my face, "Feather Merchant, you will never become a Marine!" I stared back and thought, "I’ll be a better damn marine than you a-hole!" I fired high man on the old Springfield 03 Rifle and got my choice of duty as well as a few dollars added to my twenty one dollar a month pay. He called me out at graduation and said, "When I go into combat, this is the Marine I want with me!" Damn, that felt good!
DO YOU HAVE A PARTICULARLY FUNNY STORY FROM YOUR SERVICE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE?
In 1956, while at Naval Air Technical Training Center Memphis, setting up the first helicopter course for the NATTC this episode happened. An old beer drinking friend’s antics created a story that is a classic!
Buck Yeager was the oldest Tech Sergeant in the Corp at the time. He was well known for activities that would have got most of us court-martialed. He was tolerated by most because he was also a good Marine. He was in my car pool with several other Marines. One day I was busy in the class room when the Sergeant Major called and asked for Buck to report to the Squadron Office. He had no classes that morning and I knew he was outside the gate at the VFW having a few cool ones. So, I called and informed him that the Sergeant Major wanted him at the Squadron Office. He replied "Tell him I’ll be there at 13:00 hours". That evening, I could not find Buck when we were ready to go home. So, I went to the Squadron Office to inquire about him. The Sergeant Major told me Buck was in the brig! I asked what had happened. They had seated Buck outside the Commanding Officer’s office awaiting his appointment and detailed a young Sergeant to watch him since he had been drinking. Buck went to sleep and when the Commanding Officer opened the door, the Sergeant shook him. Buck jumped up and floored the Sergeant! The kicker was when I asked what the Commanding Officer wanted with Buck. The Colonel was going to present him his Good Conduct Medal!
I still remember the CO Col E. C. Glidden, he was a Marines Marine!! He salvaged Buck and after drying out was allowed to retire. Buck was called back to active duty during Vietnam and was promoted to MSgt. The sad thing was that a few years back I attended the HMX-1 reunion and Buck showed up barely able to walk, dying of cancer. He had arrived by bus to Quantico from New York. We all pitched in and flew him home. Buck went to guard the gates of Heaven about 2 months later. I always treasured those days when Marines were not exactly parade ground perfect, got the job done and were tolerated by some damn good Officers.
WHAT PROFESSION DID YOU FOLLOW AFTER THE SERVICE AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING NOW?
I was flight adviser and instructor to VNAF H-34 Helicopters from 1964 through 1968, in units at Danang, Nha Trang, Saigon and Binh Thuy in the Delta. I rotated flying, two weeks each unit, for four years. I think I saw every square inch of South Vietnam. Some of it was damn unfriendly.
I spent three years with the Malaysian Air Force SH-3D helicopters and off shore operations from 1969 through 1971. Then I worked three years at NAS Alameda with a CH-53 Marine Reserve unit. Then for fourteen years, from 1973 through 1987, I was Senior Helicopter Rep, MAG-36, in Futema, Okinawa.I was in Frequent Winds, “Operation Evacuation”, in Saigon.
I also went on a top secret trip to Diego Garcia, on the carrier, USS Nimitz and Oman, on November 27th, 1979. I found out later that it was preparation of the Navy RH-53 helicopters for Desert One which took place later and ended in the crash episode in the desert.
I deployed each year, fourteen of them, for "Team Spirit" exercises in Korea. I retired at 1st MAW, Camp Butler in March 1987. Back in California, I received a call from a Dallas, Texas company that wanted me to take over an Inspect & Repair operation at Helwan, Egypt on Wessex SH-3 helicopters. I worked that project from 1991 until 1993, both in Egypt and Dallas, Texas until a law suit was presented against the company. I was then sent to Geneva, Switzerland for the International Tribunal.
I retired again and now just go to military reunions and get older day by day!
ARE YOU A MEMBER OF ANY MILITARY ASSOCIATION(S)? IF SO, WHICH ASSOCIATIONS AND WHAT SPECIFIC BENEFITS DO YOU DERIVE FROM YOUR MEMBERSHIP(S).
I'm a member of POP A SMOKE, the USMC Combat Helicopter Association. I am a member of Marine TWS.
HOW HAS SERVING THE ARMED FORCES INFLUENCED THE WAY YOU HAVE APPROACHED YOUR LIFE AND CAREER?
It was my entire life’s work and a very satisfactory career. I would do it all again, happily. I approached each day looking to see "What’s next", preparing to go and I always traveled light!
WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU HAVE FOR THOSE THAT ARE STILL SERVING?
Here's a word to those serving today. It is a great career. Certainly the pay and benefits are now far superior to years back. I started at $21.00 a month and after 21 years my base pay as a MSgt. E-7 was $380.00 a month. Three months before I retired, the new E-8/E-9 ranks were incorporated and I was suddenly designated a "Gunnery Sergeant" E-7. Stay at least for 20 years since it is a retirement not available on the outside at such a young age. In the combat areas it would pay to study & understand your enemies.
HOW HAS TOGETHERWESERVED HELPED YOU TO MAINTAIN A BOND WITH THE SERVICE AND THOSE YOU SERVED WITH?
It is a means of staying in touch with all of the brothers with which I served and remembering those times both good and bad. It is also a reason to get up and do something each morning!
GySgt Paul Moore
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Paul, you were not an officer, But I Salute you. You are what we young ones set goals to be. I just am dis-appointed that after 21 years when the rank was structured to go to E-8,E-9, you were already a MSgt., that they didn't increase your rank to E-8, instead of putting you to a Gunny Sgt. That is Service to Our Country, and Most Commendable. I'll Sir you any Day. Thank you Sir. S/F.
Hand Salute!
Paul,
Good job! I enjoyed reading that. Thank you for your service!
Yellow foot prints
When you step on those Yellow Foot Prints, this is that tradition you are instilled to follow. Your fellow Marines are truly proud to have served with you or even known you through Pop a Smoke.
Semper Fi
Bruce "Howdy" Mayor HMM-161 '69-'70
Paul is THE man!!
I'm proud to count him a s a friend, honored to know him. When he speaks about some "Old Corps" goings on, listen! It'll be worth it, and like our friend Walt Jones, he doens't forget anything!!!
HAND! Salute!
Yellow foot Prints
Bruce, thats a fact. 95 plus percent make it, and the other 5 percent didn't get it at all. I know Marines locked up, because they couldn't keep their integrity, and not go back to stealing. Count the ones that end up murdering as well. Walt, and Paul, are a wealth of information for us all, as well as an inspiration. I'm Glad to call Both my Brother. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.
Paul is the Man
That is so true Joe. I would like someone to do some research and find where Paul deserves Air Medals for the Flying he was able to do, as a Crewman. I would believe he was such a good shot, he may have gotten a zero or more. There must be records somewhere. If not, his word is Gold, and that would Fly with correction of Records. I wouldn't know where to start. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.
Help Paul?
Ace,
Paul has enough friends with lotsa brass on their collars to help him, should he desire it. He is a class act all the way and probably couldn't care less about anything for himself. But just watch...he'll come on here and tell ya'! He knew many of the brass before they had any brass.....:D
Ooorrrrraaaahhhhh !
Semper fi ! Mastersgt !!! 🙂
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As it Was
I only intended my imputs to discribe the long voyage of an old Marine Gunny once considered a Msgt. Nothing Heroic, however I sincerely believe many enlisted Marines are capable beyond their pay garde if the opportunity is available. Joe remembers one that was his CO in Vietnam that fits that discription. I am proud to remember him as a PFC in my Duty Section 1948 when I was a Staff NCO. Others here such as our Col Slick & other members here rose from enlisted to the upper Officers ranks. Back in 1950 I was recommed under the Meritorious NCO program for an unrestricted regular Commission. I only had two years of High School & was given a battery of College Level tests. I passed all but the English part & than did not qualify. That was the same program that in 1951 our future CMC Al Gray was commissioned ! It pays to do your home work !! As for Air Medals etc I learned from an GS-9 Lady in CMC that if its not in the computer it never happened. She than removed one of my battle stars. I was happy to prove her wrong with an old ALMAR reference & the help of the CMC Historic Dept. Back in WW2 flight time etc was only recorded for Pilots & Gunners. My records only reflect the fact that I was on Flight pay during those years. That also applies to my fellow Crew Chiefs at that time. Our Discharges were only "Honorable Discharge" Documents. No DD214 or record of what we rated. As for that the computer doesnt even show that I rated "Air Crew Wings" . Back after graduating from AMM School 1942 we were informed we rated those wings. I hope this is not bitching , just wanted to record the way it is & was period. Thanks for your patience !! Semper Fidelis Gy///Msgt Moore
Help Paul
Joe, I feel that if those Friends with lotsa Brass on their collars read this thread, I feel they should say samething. Paul is a Rare Breed Marine, and wouldn't start the procedure himself. I had a ribbon taken away just because I had the Hatch fall open on me. It was put on the 214 for a year or so, then I recieved a correction that took it away. Well, easy come, easy go. I know they can never take the Wings and 21 Combat Air Medals away, because I have the record that shows each mission. The Purple Heart, they could have kept as well. Certainly didn't want it, but its on the record anyway, and not because of the fall. It was a shoot down. People laugh because they believe I recieved it for it, but went down on 2 July '69. Exactly 3 years after I had Graduated. Bout 2 hours later as well. I know we didn't Fly for medals, but as I have said before, my Squadron and several others, didn't give a bunch out, where others did a lot. Thats good for them. Semper Fi, and Ready-APP.
As It Was
Thats Great Paul. I understand. I just wish for you they would correct your record to reflect the fact you were rated the Wings, and any others that may have been left out. I do believe a few were left out. I understand that we are not young, and chaseing women anymore, where it would matter. I'm just glad you had a very Good, and Honorable 21 years in our Corps. That and the rest of your carrear. I will always refer to you as MSgt., even though they put you to the Gunny rank when the E-7-8 came to be. Semper Fi.
IT AIN'T BITCHIN' its the truth !
it's happened to a lot of Marines my Dad included . He was in during the same time frame you were Sir. I saw his records & his DD 214 and he got short shifted .some people are lazy or vengeful or just the old SNAFU.in the long run it don't matter when you hear good things from people you respect and served with !as far as chasing the ladies goes, Ace I don't even try on this cane ! but I can sure trip em LOL 😀 sf kc P. S. thank you Paul !
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It Ain't Bitch-in, its The Truth
Lurch, I agree absolutely. Much of it is lazy, or vengfull, in my and others opinion. Like you said, it Don't mean Nothin, as long as your Pilots and Fellow Crews think best of you. Just like in Platoon, Just making it home alive is what matters, and the rest is GRAVY, the rest of our Lives. I've been on Gravy 41 years for certain. Thank our God, as Countless others are on it too. I use a 43 year old Wilson Putter as a Cane, and I trip them too Lurch. Best way I know of. Theres no fooling around with the slobbering.lol. I'm just Glad Men like your Father, and Paul, and The many of us had the Heart to have done what we did, on 10 and 12 hour basis. During TET '68, while in VMF(AW)235 it was around the clock 7 days a week, or the bad boys would have taken the DaNang Air Base. We napped between missions, which was usually 35-40 minutes, we ate and had crappers out on the west side of the hangar. The Squadron was on the North end of the runway. Always beat the Bird back to the line after refueling. Had to catch them in the pits half way down the runway, re-fuel them, and run and beat them to the line and park them with the chocks. Never shut down unless the hydrolic or engine oil was low, re-armed, and after several missions or when the Pilot was very tired, would change Pilots with engines turning. Then launch them again and again. Paul had to do the same thing more times than he would like to remember I bet. If it wasn't for Paul, and many of our Fathers as well, we would be speaking Japenese, and german. I TOO thank you Paul. Semper Fi.
John Ace Hunt;30183 wrote: Lurch, I agree absolutely. Much of it is lazy, or vengfull, in my and others opinion. If it wasn't for Paul, and many of our Fathers as well, we would be speaking Japenese, and german. I TOO thank you Paul. Semper Fi.
Ace,
I was released from active duty on 31 July 1971. When I went to disbursing to get my final paycheck, a Cpl. and a Warrant Officer told me I didn't rate flight pay for that month because I wasn't available to fly that day, which if you remember, you had to be available the first and last day of the month to get your flight pay.
After a short arguement with them ( I was a Sgt.), the WO told me there was no way he would pay me. I was so mad I walked out and went back to SAR and told the duty pilot (a Captain) what happened. He took me out to the SAR bird and we flew 0.1 hr. He then gave me the yellow sheet with my flight time and his signature on it, which I took back to disbursing.
When I showed the Cpl. the yellow sheet he called the WO out of his office and showed him. His reaction was, "Pay the a$$h*le".
I was the a$$h*le because I wanted what was coming to me. Still pi$$e$ me off.
PS I lost my uncle Sgt. Jim Hennessey, USMC on the Gavuto Island landing at the same time my dad PFC. Arnold Wilkening, USMC was landing on Guadalcanal 7 August 1942. You are absolutely right... we owe them all a debt of gratitude. SF, Jim
Like Paul, I was a crew chief in Korea with HMR 161 from Jan 1953 until Nov 1955. I flew as a crewchief. As far as I know, no enlisted person recieved wings or air medals. In fact we only got the usual ribbions for Korean service.
Paul I also knew Buck Yeager, he was quite a character, and a great guy. We talked about this before. Just about everyone of us who were sent to Memphis to start ADH a1 school had been to Korea in HMR 161 or VMO6. I was a young SSGT at the time. I was lucky enough to make SSGT E6 before the dead line or I would have to revert back to SGT E5. Thats the way it was in those days.
Flight Pay
Jim, I'm glad the A$$h*le straighted the num-nuts out. I would say those 2 came back to the world and went straight to politics. Their relatives are most likely still there. I'm glad the Captain took you up for the .1 hour so you could get the monthly Flight Pay. Usually there is a way around holes like that, as you showed them. I'm glad you followed your Uncle, and Father in the Corps. I would still be down on the cpl., and WO. The WO is most likely not with us anymore, but the cpl. I would say is. Hope you see him some day, to show him that Great smile again. I'm sure he would still remember you. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.
Wings or Air Medals
Jack, I would hope the Board of Correction of Records would take that issue up, and just may change the rules a bit for back then. Just the officers getting them, is an injustice as the rules go. It may allow you and the remaining Marines to at least get your Wings, and an Air Medal. I know most do not believe its a big deal, but you and all risk your life just like the officers did, and if they got them, the enlisted should have as well. I feel no one challenged the rules until one of the enlisted that didn't get them back during the Wars, had enough Brass on the shoulder to have it changed. You helped set up a very good school we are still going to, I believe in Pensacola now. Glad I didn't go to sleep in class, and have to run around the hangar every break during school. It was an enormas amount of miles the student that did, had to run to the end of the training. Semper Fi, and READY-APP.