Wow !!!

No surprises here..,right from the get-go. I've appreciation for everyone's comments & concur. Sure has opened up a can of worms.
In a time when being a Vietnam vet is now "popular" as opposed to being considered in the same light as flatulence at the dinner table..,it goes without saying.,that most of us will "zoom" in on fruit salad displayed on a person's chest.
There's a passel of posers & phonies out there. It puts my knickers in a twist..,as with those of us that have "been there/done that".
I've no problem with her/his/herm's display of wings & other awards..,if genuine. Obviously,the DD214 was checked out by qualified sources.
At the risk of turning this into a political forum.,when did our beloved Corps become so tolerant ??? Sad.
Also.,he/she/shim IS out of uniform.

I'll Move ON

Guess I'll move on and check the rest of the world. Sure it would be nice to know for sure,but then some would say we should start Right From the TOP. Now there is a loaded Gun if I ever saw One. Do we we REALLY have a President or is He just playing the role? I understand there are things that have not been spell out in truth to this day. Now How about that! What if He really isn't the rightful One ???? Now This IS BIG TIME TO ME anyways.:eek: God Bless The USA and ALL Who defend this land of OUR's ....

Clearing my Head

Clearing my head and I guess I just did.............Took a lot off sure does feel better anyways Now maybe I can rest tonight. Semper FI and God Speed those Prayers for each and everyone of you and America......:)

Whoa! Mans in D'Nam?

Never mind!

The Photo

Ladies, Gentlemen, Friends Marines and you former Marines, this is my question:

Re: http://www.mcldeptct.org/234th%20Marine%20Corps%20Birthday_H/MCL.html
What is legitimate and what is illegitimate?

What the Captain has and hasn’t displayed on the uniform.

1.The Purple Heart
2. Air Medal w/2*,
3. Combat Action Ribbon Awarded for Ground Combat Action Usually denied Air Crews
No Presidential Unit citations w/ Ribbon bar
4. Navy Unit Commendations with ribbon Bar and any subsequent stars
No good conduct medals ???
5. National Defense
6. Vietnam Service
No RVN meritorious Unit Citation Gallantry Cross Color?
No RVN Meritorious Unit Citation civil Actions Color (First Class)?
7. Republic Vietnam Campaign
Expert Rifle and Pistol Qual Badges

On the DD 214 and possibly a DD 215 correction there is one piece of information that is critical to make it creditable and authentic , I.e. a name.

1. Lt. Georga Onmymind,
2. Captain Roberta Whazizerface.
   

3. Major Charlene What Chu Tawkin Bout Willis,
4. Colonel Arlena Sanders or
5. General Dipsy Dumpster??

   ?

   I see the following visuals:

   {Indent}Captains Bars

   • Gold Pilots Wings
   • A Purple Heart
   • An Air Medal Ribbon with /2* device (usually indicating a second award) 40 missions
   • A Combat Action Ribbon Awarded for Ground Combat Action??? (Usually not given to Airedales who get Air Medals instead.)
   • A Navy Marine Corps Commendation Ribbon
   • The National defense ribbon
   • The Vietnam Service Medal Ribbon (Sans about 4*’s)
   • The Republic of Vietnam campaign Medal Ribbon

   What is inexplicably missing from the photo are:

   The Heroic Connecticut state Attorney General Richard Blumenthal (D) Claiming he in entitled to multiple flowery heroux awards because he bravely sat through multiple tours of:
   

   • “Apocalypse Now Redux,
   • A Midnight Clear,
   • Platoon,
   • Full Metal Jacket,
   • Saving Private Ryan,
   • Black Hawk Down,
   • all ten episodes of Band of Brothers and
   • The Pacific
   • Anna Nicole Smith does Quantico

   Where he was egregiously wounded like John F [ Flüsterwitz ] Kerry by his own ricocheting licorice DOT and a cherry Ju Ju Be while throwing these deadly missiles along with some some thunderous unpopped Popcorn at the menacing enemy soldiers as they appeared with their foaming horrid mien of blood thirsty drooling rictus on the silver screen.

   Regardez!

   Concerning the awards worn on the uniform…

   Presidential Unit Citation with ribbon Bar,
   Navy Unit Commendation with ribbon bar and at least 2 or more*
   Any number of Good Conduct Ribbons
   Republic of South Vietnam Meritorious Unit Citation Gallantry Cross Color
   Republic of Vietnam Meritorious Unit Citation Civil Actions color (First Class)

   Now, the Republic of South Vietnam and Republic of Vietnam awards were usually awarded without the recipient knowing he or she rated and was entitled to wear the awards. That would usually be found out much later per a DD 215 correction form to the DD214.

   Now, I have experienced a few instances of Stolen Valor similar to that which we see with Richard “The Dick” Blumenthal in Connecticut, John F. “The Flüsterwitz” Kerry in Massachusetts and a certain James Hagar in Missouri.

   After I left the Corps, I became involved in Law Enforcement and I was always appalled when some higher ranking but not superior LUMPS as I called them; using a personal neologism or a Nowotnonymn of; [ Little Upwardly Mobile Police Supervisors] would make the claim that he [I never experienced a she] was a Vietnam Veteran or was a former Marine or a former Marine Combat Vietnam veteran and… wasn’t! This happened more than just one isolated time in my life’s experience, It happened in fact a few times, more than I really needed, especially with some inept police lieutenants and even some damn height challenged narcissistic good for nothing much other than a paperweight Captains who couldn’t pass a mirror without the mirrors mystical power overcoming him and he then coming to a screeching halt, executing a smart right or left face maneuver giving itself an approving look, a quick adjustment or two, a brush, a slight philip as IT admired its own reflection of the “Little Lard McFarquuard” LUMP looking out from the penumbra of the mystical mirror.

   [Now for your etymologists out there, note that LUMPS has nothing to do with the social term Lumpenproletariat, although in my certainly biased opinion, one who pretend sin life that dreams are real certainly does live in an ethereal realm of that psychological fringe society that suffers from a case Bonnet Syndrome, possibly in Mittyville, down in Thurber County, U.S.of A.]

   Why would someone publish such a controversial photo without an explanation? It has been my experience that when people are consciously vague they are attempting to hide something or do not want the light of truth to expose whatever it is they are conscious or subconscious ashamed of. It does not have to be an evil minded or demented thing at all, it could simply be that there is some easy describable physical or physiological answers to turn what is "pogy bait" for non constructive criticism and mean spirited debate to a lovely “Awww, that’sa nice”. No shame in that, the shame would be if someone is ashamed of the truth and is attempting to hide the truth with half truths, non truths, innuendo and WTF. Sooooooooooo, Isuggest that before we all sally forth and make some harsh uniformed judgement, let us allow those involved to answer up and explain the questionable photo. My lard, where is Paul Harvey with, “The rest of the story?” Telling us which was, who was, the pilot that honorably served the Marines as a man and found out he was really more comfortable as a female? Then maybe they can answer: Why does this WM officer not wear all of the awards he or she is entitled to?

   Personally, I recommend the presentation of the self inflicted H.U.T.A. award with flowing SNAFU ribbon and three bright and shiny FUBIS Stars for whomever it was in the Connecticut Marine Corps League Administration, is responsible stirring up this baño and is allowing this to happen without a creditable explanation or a customary citation of the photo.

   If legitimate; “ Semper Fidelis”, if found to be simply bullshit, then a stinking oozing Booooooooooorah and into the baño to the melodic strumming of dueling bañjo’s .

   Glossary of Terms:
   Flüsterwitz: A whispering Joke.
   baño : The head.

   Attached files

   

   Semper Fidelis

   Charle'

    

cnowotny;26852 wrote: Ladies, Gentlemen, Friends Marines and you former Marines, this is my question:

Re: http://www.mcldeptct.org/234th%20Marine%20Corps%20Birthday_H/MCL.html
What is legitimate and what is illegitimate?

What the Captain has and hasn’t displayed on the uniform.

1.The Purple Heart
2. Air Medal w/2*,
3. Combat Action Ribbon Awarded for Ground Combat Action Usually denied Air Crews
No Presidential Unit citations w/ Ribbon bar
4. Navy Unit Commendations with ribbon Bar and any subsequent stars
No good conduct medals ???
5. National Defense
6. Vietnam Service
No RVN meritorious Unit Citation Gallantry Cross Color?
No RVN Meritorious Unit Citation civil Actions Color (First Class)?
7. Republic Vietnam Campaign
Expert Rifle and Pistol Qual Badges

On the DD 214 and possibly a DD 215 correction there is one piece of information that is critical to make it creditable and authentic , I.e. a name.

1. Lt. Georga Onmymind,
2. Captain Roberta Whazizerface.
   

3. Major Charlene What Chu Tawkin Bout Willis,
4. Colonel Arlena Sanders or
5. General Dipsy Dumpster??

   ?

   I see the following visuals:

   {Indent}Captains Bars

   • Gold Pilots Wings
   • A Purple Heart
   • An Air Medal Ribbon with /2* device (usually indicating a second award) 40 missions
   • A Combat Action Ribbon Awarded for Ground Combat Action??? (Usually not given to Airedales who get Air Medals instead.)
   • A Navy Marine Corps Commendation Ribbon
   • The National defense ribbon
   • The Vietnam Service Medal Ribbon (Sans about 4*’s)
   • The Republic of Vietnam campaign Medal Ribbon

   What is inexplicably missing from the photo are:

   The Heroic Connecticut state Attorney General Richard Blumenthal (D) Claiming he in entitled to multiple flowery heroux awards because he bravely sat through multiple tours of:
   

   • “Apocalypse Now Redux,
   • A Midnight Clear,
   • Platoon,
   • Full Metal Jacket,
   • Saving Private Ryan,
   • Black Hawk Down,
   • all ten episodes of Band of Brothers and
   • The Pacific
   • Anna Nicole Smith does Quantico

   Where he was egregiously wounded like John F [ Flüsterwitz ] Kerry by his own ricocheting licorice DOT and a cherry Ju Ju Be while throwing these deadly missiles along with some some thunderous unpopped Popcorn at the menacing enemy soldiers as they appeared with their foaming horrid mien of blood thirsty drooling rictus on the silver screen.

   Regardez!

   Concerning the awards worn on the uniform…

   Presidential Unit Citation with ribbon Bar,
   Navy Unit Commendation with ribbon bar and at least 2 or more*
   Any number of Good Conduct Ribbons
   Republic of South Vietnam Meritorious Unit Citation Gallantry Cross Color
   Republic of Vietnam Meritorious Unit Citation Civil Actions color (First Class)

   Now, the Republic of South Vietnam and Republic of Vietnam awards were usually awarded without the recipient knowing he or she rated and was entitled to wear the awards. That would usually be found out much later per a DD 215 correction form to the DD214.

   Now, I have experienced a few instances of Stolen Valor similar to that which we see with Richard “The Dick” Blumenthal in Connecticut, John F. “The Flüsterwitz” Kerry in Massachusetts and a certain James Hagar in Missouri.

   After I left the Corps, I became involved in Law Enforcement and I was always appalled when some higher ranking but not superior LUMPS as I called them; using a personal neologism or a Nowotnonymn of; [ Little Upwardly Mobile Police Supervisors] would make the claim that he [I never experienced a she] was a Vietnam Veteran or was a former Marine or a former Marine Combat Vietnam veteran and… wasn’t! This happened more than just one isolated time in my life’s experience, It happened in fact a few times, more than I really needed, especially with some inept police lieutenants and even some damn height challenged narcissistic good for nothing much other than a paperweight Captains who couldn’t pass a mirror without the mirrors mystical power overcoming him and he then coming to a screeching halt, executing a smart right or left face maneuver giving itself an approving look, a quick adjustment or two, a brush, a slight philip as IT admired its own reflection of the “Little Lard McFarquuard” LUMP looking out from the penumbra of the mystical mirror.

   [Now for your etymologists out there, note that LUMPS has nothing to do with the social term Lumpenproletariat, although in my certainly biased opinion, one who pretend sin life that dreams are real certainly does live in an ethereal realm of that psychological fringe society that suffers from a case Bonnet Syndrome, possibly in Mittyville, down in Thurber County, U.S.of A.]

   Why would someone publish such a controversial photo without an explanation? It has been my experience that when people are consciously vague they are attempting to hide something or do not want the light of truth to expose whatever it is they are conscious or subconscious ashamed of. It does not have to be an evil minded or demented thing at all, it could simply be that there is some easy describable physical or physiological answers to turn what is "pogy bait" for non constructive criticism and mean spirited debate to a lovely “Awww, that’sa nice”. No shame in that, the shame would be if someone is ashamed of the truth and is attempting to hide the truth with half truths, non truths, innuendo and WTF. Sooooooooooo, Isuggest that before we all sally forth and make some harsh uniformed judgement, let us allow those involved to answer up and explain the questionable photo. My lard, where is Paul Harvey with, “The rest of the story?” Telling us which was, who was, the pilot that honorably served the Marines as a man and found out he was really more comfortable as a female? Then maybe they can answer: Why does this WM officer not wear all of the awards he or she is entitled to?

   Personally, I recommend the presentation of the self inflicted H.U.T.A. award with flowing SNAFU ribbon and three bright and shiny FUBIS Stars for whomever it was in the Connecticut Marine Corps League Administration, is responsible stirring up this baño and is allowing this to happen without a creditable explanation or a customary citation of the photo.

   If legitimate; “ Semper Fidelis”, if found to be simply bullshit, then a stinking oozing Booooooooooorah and into the baño to the melodic strumming of dueling bañjo’s .

   Glossary of Terms:
   Flüsterwitz: A whispering Joke.
   baño : The head.

I concurr with the above and these 3 are all of the culprits involved. The 2 males are probably not "wingers" and never rode in a helicopter assault. :confused:ONE: the picture should not have been taken if the WM didn't want "the cat out of the bag":( TWO: If taken, the pic should have remained in the CN MCL files only. the release of the picture has stained the image of our fellow Marines!:eek: One of the males has said "Who are You?" and the reply is Marines. He also said "MYOB", - well, cat, to Marine combat air crews THIS IS OUR BUSINESS!:mad: - to keep out phonies! You have damaged the words Semper Fidelis ( fidelis as in the brotherhood of all Marines!):eek: If you throw this picture out there and expect no one to say anything, you have found yourself entirely wrong!!! The WM should be proud of her combat record if she is deserving of the awards displayed, - and we could care less about her sex and sex life. Do your duty and present a name, the squadron, the year served in RVN, since you have thrown this picture into the faces of many Marine combat aircrews, - a lastly, an apology for your actions done without any comprehension of the stain you have cast on the CN MCL!!! May you better understand what Semper Fidelis mean to other Marines.

Chuck

This photo was taken off the Detachment website and was posted by an individual on another website - and the battle was on.

Where is the self promoting Beamon on all of this.

Com'on Sam, you vouched for it/her/he/she/him.

Where is all of this DD-214 documentation.

Iffen it/her/he/she/him is legit (and I call bullshit there), then why can't it/her/he/she/him even wear the proper awards.

I have been busted off this site before, but if this one 'person' passes muster, I will say some shit to get busted off again.

... and iffen it/her/he/she/him is found to be a phony, then all those that stood up for it/her/he/she/him, whether they be PAS big big nuts or not, THEY should be busted.

re: The current who-rah!

Larry, & et al

I have thoroughly perused the Hardware City MCL detachment website, and ...

The on going theme on ALL of their pic pages in all galleries, is a penchant
for NO IDENTIFICATION of ANYBODY.

Of considerable interest is the fact that Richard Blumenthal holds a popular
position in most annual galleries back to 2004. There appears to be a tacit
acceptance of him in their detachment. I did not do a count of the pictures
of him, but let it be said, he was no stranger.

Btw --- the "star" on "her" AM appears to be a SILVER one, representing
the 5th Award.

One other comment:

I believe that the Good Conduct Medal was an Enlisted Only Award.

There I was....

There I was, happily surfing the web when I got an

Now I gotta tell ya? There are a million ways a Female Woman Marine of the opposite sexual persuasion could get to be a Captain, in Vietnam, become a qualified pilot, earn a purple heart, have two Air Medals, get a Combat Action Ribbon, get a couple of Navy Unit Commendations plus get the National Defense Ribbon and the RVN Service and the RVN Campaign ribbon. I will list them all below...

1. ?

Well at least there must be a Trillion as in Obama ways for a United States Marine Corps Captain to NOT get any good conduct ribbons, NOT get any PUC's and NOT get any RVN Crosses of gallantry and civic Actions awards. I'll List them ALL below.

1. ?

Well, maybe the Captain was in the Navy for a year or two before laterally moving over across the street to the Marine Corps or maybe she was an 03 prior to getting a battle field commission for killing Krauts at the battle of the Marne or something or another, and maybe the Captain wasn’t capable of earning a good conduct medal and got into trouble at a local bar, like going AWOL at Dien Bien Phu or while in-country R&R or while in Hong Kong or while visiting Wally’s World? Or maybe she had a sick headache that day and missed out on that award given out by Capt'n Crunch. Probably like many, got into trouble at a local bar in DaNang, Tijuana or in the tenderloin Dist. of San Francisco?

In any case, since no one wants to fess up and clear up the imbroglio, and let this thing take on a life of its own, just use poetic license like the imposters do and make it up as you go along, just make it unfreeking believably heroic so as to make the young girls whimper and cry and get free drinks at the bar..

Why I got my DD 214, my DD 215 and My SPECIAL DD 216 .5 which due to its sensitivity, is only reviewable at in WashingtonD.C., at 8th & I under the supervision of an armed General Officer holding a Bulldog on a leash. Why everyone knows The DD 216 was given only to those of us unique individuals who have unselfishly and secretly saved the universe from invading blood sucking, puss licking legions of Obama’s Corpsemen and rabid and ribald Zombies from the noxious, gaseous world of MoeHowardavania located just ouside of Moronavakia and its rogue moon, CurlyJoeuhtainia. You can Czech it out. It was also the number of my cub scout pack in grade school.

Good Godfrey Daniels?????

The stars on the Air Medals were for single mission Air Medals. There should be numbers example: 200 missions = 10 Air Medals. I don't see any numbers on the Air Medal. I know some Marine helo drivers had 50+. I was just an average UH-1 pilot and I got 46 during my 12 months in country.

Who-dat update ............

If I am not mistaken ................

That appears to be Sam Beamon standing at "her" left shoulder.

http://www.mcldeptct.org/index.html

Check this link. That is a PDD (Pedigreed Devil Dog) neck ribbon
on the Marine on the right.

Compare the pics in the link above (un-dated) and next to "her".

Not Sam

He has more hair and is younger looking.

BTW - Where is Sam Beamon? He is running 3 different investigations on the 3 different MCL Detachments that were on stage with the aforementioned Mr. Blumenthal because they violated a bunch of different MCL regs and his tenure in office is over in 3 weeks.

http://pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies528.htm

Delivered-To: info@pownetwork.org
From: Crewchf164@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:45:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Fw: MCL phonies in Connecticut
To: info@pownetwork.org

I have stated that this person is qualified to wear those medals and wings. Her DD-214 is on file. You are right about the first female helicopter pilot.

Enough has been said.

Sam Beamon

Well Sam, lets hear it.

Stars & Numerals

Right you be, Allyn.

A good friend of mine has a "26" on his and 3 single mission stars.

You are right about the first female helicopter pilot. --- Sam Beamon

If this be true, then "she" WAS NOT a WM flying Hueys in Vietnam!

Is Beamon referring to:

Sarah Deal was the first Marine pilot and she pinned her wings on 21 April, 1995.

.... with his "you are right ..... " statement?

Sam isn't in any of the pictures with the BAM. The only place I saw a picture of Sam was at one of the CN state functions, not at the Marine Corps Birthday the BAM was pictured in. Maybe it's some kind of joke, but not funny and disrespectful to our Corps. Just my 2 cents!

Joke?

It's NOT a "joke", Tim ......

...... and the Hardware City Detachment is in for some "hard" times.

Beamon being a Department Officer, (check out pic in my previously provided link)
has his work cut out for him. The Commandant of the Department of Connecticut,
the HEAD dude!

"3 investigations" ... huh, Larry?

Ct mcl

Sam is the current Commandant of the MCL for the state of CT. What actually what DET he came from I have no idea.
This is a photo of Sam from the State of CT website
http://www.mcleague.org/mdp/userpages/DEPARTMENT_OF_CONNECTICUT.php

Mike I don't see any pictures of Sam there, if it is a fluke he may know nothing about it. I wouldn't start messing with Sam until this stuff gets put through the wringer and I'm sure you'll find Sam had no knowledge of it. Don't start pointing fingers at Sam! Everybody should just calm down until we get to the bottom of this. Sam will surface and tell us what he knows, maybe he is researching and laying low until he knows the real truth.

*'s Stars and Numerals

As I recall in '67 / '68 the subsequent award of an Air Medal was in the form of a small silver star device. There weren't many multiple Air Medals awarded in those early years, at least not like in late '68 and '69 etc. Later after Tet in September of 1968 the Corps started the strike / flight numerals to designate multiple awards due to so many multiple awards being given. Single mission Air Medals were disignaged with a "V" device See example of Air Medal with the strike /flight awards, multiple awards post Sept 1968 and single Mission Air Medal. The ones in the photo attached are gold.

Naval Officers with the rank of Captain (or Colonel in the Marine Corps) are not eligible for award of the Air Medal on a strike/flight basis unless the sorties they fly are required in the performance of their regular duties.

Strikes are missions that deliver ordnance against the enemy, land or evacuate personnel in an assault, or in which personnel are engaged in search and rescue operations. The distinguishing feature of a strike is that it encounters enemy opposition.

Flights are missions that deliver ordnance against the enemy, land or evacuate personnel in an assault, or in which personnel are engaged in search and rescue operations but does not encounter enemy opposition. [I.E. a milk run from Phu Bai to Danang when the Zips at Hai Van Pass were asleep or on R&R.]

Regarding Sam Beamons awareness. Yes it seems by his endorsement that he is fully aware of this issue and the below email indicates that Sam knows something about these photos and this chapter.

The question is, what files are these DD-214 on file with. Where are they kept? With whom are they on file. The MCL of Conn. or the official St. Louis Mo. files. Maybe Dan Rather would rather NOT check this out?

Delivered-To: info@pownetwork.org
From: Crewchf164@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 23:45:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Fw: MCL phonies in Connecticut
To: info@pownetwork.org

I have stated that this person is qualified to wear those medals and wings. Her DD-214 is
on file. You are right about the first female helicopter pilot.

Enough has been said.

Sam Beamon

I doubt that the last shoe has dropped on this one.

Good Marine

timothy;26873 wrote: Mike I don't see any pictures of Sam there, if it is a fluke he may know nothing about it. I wouldn't start messing with Sam until this stuff gets put through the wringer and I'm sure you'll find Sam had no knowledge of it. Don't start pointing fingers at Sam! Everybody should just calm down until we get to the bottom of this. Sam will surface and tell us what he knows, maybe he is researching and laying low until he knows the real truth.

Sure thing Tim none of us should do any finger pointing because it may just come back to bit us. Slowing down and let this take its course is a good idea. For any of you others ,I will say that this really needs to be clear up so we can put it to rest . Pray all of us will do just that and give it some time. Not Ten years ! Semper Fi Tim and to ALL you Marines. God Speed these answers too.

Allan Holmes;26858 wrote: Where is the self promoting Beamon on all of this.

Com'on Sam, you vouched for it/her/he/she/him.

Where is all of this DD-214 documentation.

Iffen it/her/he/she/him is legit (and I call bullshit there), then why can't it/her/he/she/him even wear the proper awards.

I have been busted off this site before, but if this one 'person' passes muster, I will say some shit to get busted off again.

... and iffen it/her/he/she/him is found to be a phony, then all those that stood up for it/her/he/she/him, whether they be PAS big big nuts or not, THEY should be busted.

EDITED!!!

After reflection and reconsideration, on a 14-1/2 hour flight, I have come to the conclusion that my comments were inappropriate. For this I apologize to the PAS leadership, as I was not directed to them as a whole.

This person, and the MCL she belongs to, should be ashamed of themselves. If this is indeed a he/she, it makes me wonder why the uniform or ribbon placement is incorrect, not to forget missing pieces.

To me, this is a slap in the face to all true Veterans of the little conflict we participated in over the beautiful skies of SE Asia.

I for one, sleep well at night, with a clear conscience, knowing that I was there, and do not have an issue with folks questioning my service. (Yes, it has happened.)

The sad part about this is that it has happened. I will, however, withhold all comments and let the smart folks sort this out.

Noticed this AM, that the POWNetwork/Phonies posting that started this has disappeared.

So, I sent an e-mail asking, WHY? Below is the response I received.

Semper fi,

Wayne Sutter
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: P.O.W. Network - Chuck and Mary Schantag
To: wayne sutter
Subject: Re: female phony at MCL Connecticut detachment?
Date: 05/26/2010 12:24:48 PM (Wed, 26 May 2010 11:24:48 -0500)

WE asked for the ID on the photo.

Got a tentative ID last night. Requesting records.

It is believed that HE earned the awards.

Mary

At 09:01 AM 5/26/2010, wayne sutter wrote:
>What happened to your posting regarding this person's identity?
>
>Every Marine Aviator/Vietnam Vet is entitled to know this person's
>identity. Or, is your organization part of the coverup, too?
>
>Semper fi,
>
>Wayne Sutter, USMCR(forever)
>104 Meadowcross Drive
>Safety Harbor, FL 34695
>HMM-165, HMM-362, 3/3/3

There is only one correct answer to how this could be; she served in Vietnam as a male. I know for a fact that there was one Army pilot who had the same history. When I was at Fort Rucker getting checked out in the UH-60 in 1987 everyone there knew her story, and no one really cared she was accepted as a fellow aviator.

I cannot speak for Pop A Smoke, but as for me I'd be glad to have her attend our reunions, and I'm sure all of her squadron mates would be glad to welcome her aboard for a good time. I'd just love to sell her a few patches from her old squadrons, and share any good stories she has to tell. No matter what any of us chose to do after we got off active duty we will always be U.S. Marines.

As for the CAR I know it was given for ground action. I may or may not have quilified: see Photo Archive #424 Cpl Miles Alexander and I caputred a VC in May 1970 the story at the time got enough attention to get written up in Leatherneck, but no one ever put in the paper work for any award, and I really didn't care then or now, but I'd like to hear her story.

If she is for real I'd be proud to stand with her, and ready to defend her as a fellow Vietnam Vet.

Wow, what a thread.