WM's in RVN

This sure looks strange. Especially since it was hard for a male Marine to get a CAR, let alone a female. I worked in vaious 1st Maw activities and never saw a female Naval aviator during three different tours in country.

He/she?

Lot of discussion on another site.
From the discussion/Pic appears MCL in Ct have accepted his/her DD214.
One explanation might be that "she" earned the wings/awards when she was a he.
Assuming that's the case then the question is "if you are a former/retired Marine who served as a "he" and is now a she- can you wear a WM uniform

she/he

I was thinking of that very thought. But did not want to be on the list for being politically incorrect.

I was stationed at NAS Meridian, MS in 1973 when the first Navy female officer was selected to start flight school. It was a few years later that the first female Marines were allowed to go to flight school. So no female Marine aviators served in Vietnam.

There was a male Army pilot that flew in Vietnam, and in the 1980's she was a civilian flight instructor at Fort Rucker.

Did you say Connecticut?

Maybe she's running for the senate

WM aviator

I'm amazed that NO One has provided this site with a name of the person, her combat history and squadron she allegedly served with, the names of the Marines in the picture, the name of the Marine Corps League, and a copy of her DD-214 if she is legetimate!!!!!! Semper Fi:eek:

So where is Sam Beamon on all of this?

Sam, you should really be proud of yourself. Is she in your book?

It appears the entire Connecticut Marine Corps League is just a bunch of chest thumpers wondering around the State comparing their dittle licks.

It would also seem that being a female(?) pilot in VietNam, with a Purple Heart and CAR, that she/he would have been well known.

Since she/he is not legit, then this is a violation of the Stolen Valor Act, MCI big nuts or not.

What a jucking foke!

😡

In Sam Beamon's Defense

The Marine Corps League is the only federally chartered United States Marine Corps-related veterans organization in the United States. Its Federal Charter was approved by the 75th U.S. Congress and signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on August 4, 1937. The organization credits its founding — in 1923 — to legendary Marine Corps Commandant John A. Lejeune.

In Sam Beamon's defense, I know that he has examined the combat records of this UH-1E pilot from Vietnam. The Purple Heart is authentic, as is the Air Medal ribbon with Star - both have been earned in Vietnam. The name and squadron are being withheld at the individual's request.

Times have changed in the past 40 years, whether we like it or not. Things are now officially acceptable that at one time were not. Any attempt to discriminate against individuals based on gender/transgender in a federally chartered organization could be grounds for loss of charter.

I am not familiar with regulations regarding the wearing of Marine Corps or Marine Corps League uniforms in this situation. I am sure that someone out there has access to the official scoop on that issue; the proper wearing of the appropriate uniform. However, the displayed medals in this case have been earned.

"Some companies are grappling with how to manage employees switching from one sex to another. American Airlines and its HR people helped a 58-year-old pilot – an ex-Marine and Vietnam combat veteran – go from being Robert to Bobbi." Source: americansfortruth.com

The first Marine female pilot was Sarah Deal , and she pinned her wings on 21 April 1995 ,she flew Ch53E"s with 466, but she never flew any combat flights. So if the female in the picture is for real Slick must be right she wa a he. SF

Al Barbour;26798 wrote: In Sam Beamon's defense, I know that he has examined the combat records of this UH-1E pilot from Vietnam. The Purple Heart is authentic, as is the Air Medal ribbon with Star - both have been earned in Vietnam. The name and squadron are being withheld at the individual's request.

I still call BS.

See Walt's post below.

I see that you are gender inspecific, re; this 'person'.

Why is his, er, her name and squadron, withheld.

One other thing, if Beamon ever gets around to this thread, 'Who is Richard Blumenthal'?

Cabinet Post

Surely It should be considered for an appointment to a Presidential Cabinet "Slot". Conn has some vacancies also recently.

Al Barbour;26798 wrote: The Marine Corps League is the only federally chartered United States Marine Corps-related veterans organization in the United States. Its Federal Charter was approved by the 75th U.S. Congress and signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on August 4, 1937. The organization credits its founding — in 1923 — to legendary Marine Corps Commandant John A. Lejeune.

In Sam Beamon's defense, I know that he has examined the combat records of this UH-1E pilot from Vietnam. The Purple Heart is authentic, as is the Air Medal ribbon with Star - both have been earned in Vietnam. The name and squadron are being withheld at the individual's request.

Times have changed in the past 40 years, whether we like it or not. Things are now officially acceptable that at one time were not. Any attempt to discriminate against individuals based on gender/transgender in a federally chartered organization could be grounds for loss of charter.

I am not familiar with regulations regarding the wearing of Marine Corps or Marine Corps League uniforms in this situation. I am sure that someone out there has access to the official scoop on that issue; the proper wearing of the appropriate uniform. However, the displayed medals in this case have been earned.

"Some companies are grappling with how to manage employees switching from one sex to another. American Airlines and its HR people helped a 58-year-old pilot – an ex-Marine and Vietnam combat veteran – go from being Robert to Bobbi." Source: americansfortruth.com

Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but just yesterday you wrote, to a friend, of mine-

From this information, the entire Connecticut Marine Corps League is filled with phonies. They will not release her name, squadron, years of service or DD-214. Where did she earn her Purple Heart, her Air Medal? Sam Beamon, formerly of HMM-164, should be ashamed.

http://pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies528.htm

Mystery to me.

Allan,
My first statement was based on a knee-jerk reaction to what I perceived as a phony, in a privileged communication with Dan, and addressed to him. It reflected my gut feeling toward a phony; my gut feeling toward phonies has not changed. After talking to Sam Beamon, a long time friend, and others, I was able to accept the findings as unfortunate but reasonable. I cannot say that I disagree with your opinion, but your opinions, and my opinions, are just that. Time to move on - or change the law. I am still waiting for a name, squadron and DD-214.
S/F Al

Dd 214

They say they viewed the DD214: If the awards etc were earned in Vietnam does the DD214 show a He/She or whatnot !! If it shows a He than they obviouly are off base. Very simple to just show the DD 214 and the individuals name !!

pm

The commandant of the CT MCL stated he checked with the Detachment at Hardware City and was told a DD 214 was on file, and therfore stated it was valid.
Mr Carrier of the Hardware City Det, state it was a need to know basic, and apparently we did not need to know her name.
quote-"

don't know who you are, or who you think you are, but you are OUT of ORDER.

You do NOT have the NEED-to-KNOW. The Chain of Command is in charge, and in control.

So butt out and MYOB."

One would think that if a member of any Service org was in question, they would jump right in and verfity or double check the DD-214 thru St louis.

Mike

Therin lies the rub. No name. Now, how would you proceed to verify a DD-214 if the name is not the one now being used???? Does that automatically make them a phony? I know you are great at rooting out phonies and I applaud your efforts. Sometimes there are no right or perfect answers.

NO WM Pilots in Vietnam < Period !!

Enough said !!! Therefore DD 214 is a previous "HE" or how could it be explained ??? If a He, than the story is BS.

OK, a question for the smart guys.

Iffen Bob Smith served in VietNam, as a Naval Aviator, 'earned' the PH, CAR, AM, etal, and returns to CONUS.

He then figgers he is a woman in a man's body, so he gets a chop here, a slice there, some injections or whatever, does Betty Smith, now a SHE, rate his awards?

and a friend added -

Walt wrote: Al, I was thinking the same thing if he no longer exists, how can some woman wear his ribbions? Do you think she could show up in Reno with one of the VMO squadrons? If that was my Marine League Detachment I think I wouldn't be making any more meetings. SF

Yesterday Was a better TIME

:rolleyes: Sure is to bad that our contry has come to This! Not to disrespect this He her but it sure show's the battle line have been drawn and its put our world up side down. I respect the awards and the person that recieve them . With That I would just say this.......Whoever
(He or She) they got to still know they come from a Daddy and a Mommy..1 each and GOD made them so hope they get:confused: unconfused. God Bless the USA and the Marine corp!

Larry

Many people have a legal change of name. that info could be obtained thru the Freedom of Information Act, regardles of if in the military or not, if that could be the case.
My only reason of trying to follow up on this ,is the RVN ribbons she is wearing.
Maybe I got off base myself, She is a Marine Veteran. the fact the MCL has her DD 214 on file may show she is/was in the Corps, in order to join there Org, but does not mean all the ribbons she is wearing are infact true.
Semper Fi

Mike

I think I have to stand behind Sam on this. I have known him for over 10 years and is a stand up guy. He may spread the BS a little thick and he loves the written word (he is an author) but I have not heard him lie about something like this. He told me he challenged the Detachment Commandant on this. He was given a REASONABLE and PLAUSIBLE explanation. This person was then accepted into the MCL. Protocol and chain of comand were followed. Now, if this all comes out at total BS then I owe you and Bob Fowles an apology. Until then, I stand behind Sam. Was not real happy that Bob then started questioning the number of helo bubbas that had not only the Air Crew Wings, but the CAR as well. I don't question the integrity of any helo combat aircrewman.

Yes, awards stay with that person that earned them. So if he becomes a she, they are still HER awards.

how long can this go on?

He, She, or It.

This person obviously is lacking in courage, ashamed of something, or maybe committing a crime.

Why share your secret with an MCL detachment and not your real brothers in arms?

Most of us do not care what you became as long as you have been true to yourself, your family, and your fellow combat Marines.

Why go through the trouble of wearing the uniform, in public, and then refuse to identify yourself?

If I was going to stuff my fat body into a set of blues for the Ball, I would go all the way and buy Evening Mess Dress with Cape. Now that would be cool! Fortunately, I cannot afford to be cool.

Oh, I get it; it was a costume party and everyone attending was a wannabe!

On the face of it, this person is a phony, a fraud. Until someone gives a public, uncensored explanation of this person's credentials, the MCL is as phony as some of its members/guests.

Semper fi,

Wayne Sutter
Fighting Mad 1 - 4 Actual, Out

Open

WHAT?? WHAT??

I'm sure everyone has an opinion on this, but the only thing I can say is this is not the school I was brought up in. It is my understanding that the only Marines to wear the uniform are active duty and retirees (I could be wrong on this). This is too hot and I'm sure it won't be long before a name is revealed. Rather this person is a He or a She or Whatever, why didn't they just stay in the closet if they want to stay incognito. Makes me want to barf.

S/F
Pops Powell

larry powell;26822 wrote: what?? What??

I'm sure everyone has an opinion on this, but the only thing i can say is this is not the school i was brought up in. It is my understanding that the only marines to wear the uniform are active duty and retirees (i could be wrong on this). This is too hot and i'm sure it won't be long before a name is revealed. Rather this person is a he or a she or whatever, why didn't they just stay in the closet if they want to stay incognito. Makes me want to barf.

S/f
pops powell

Amen...!!!

Come on Sam give us the straight scoop!