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Next week will be 40 yrs - I won;t forget

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dorgnr70
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USMC/Combat Helicopter Association | Add your comments for this incident

Brothers Killed in Action in USMC Helicopters or while assigned to USMC Helicopter Squadrons in Vietnam

700922 HMM-262 Vietnam

Incident Date 700922 HMM-262 CH-46D 152577+ Hostile Fire, Crash

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Beach Jr., Leo Albert Sgt Crew HMM-262 MAG-16 700922 (vvm 07W:082)
Davis, William Stanley 1stLt Pilot HMM-262 MAG-16 700922 (vvm 07W:083)
Kimbrough, Harold Bruce 1stLt Co-Pilot HMM-262 MAG-16 700922 (vvm 07W:084)
Smith, Frederick Joseph LCpl Crew HMM-262 MAG-16 700922 (vvm 07W:085)
Teffs, James Richard Cpl Crew HMM-262 MAG-16 700922 (vvm 07W:085)

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BEACH LEO ALBERT JR : 378545211 : USMC : SGT : E5 : 6112 : 20 : DETROIT : MI : 19700922 : hostile, crash, land : Crew : body recovered : Quang Nam (Da Nang) : 02 : 19500605 : Cauc : Roman Catholic/single : 07W : 082
DAVIS WILLIAM STANLEY : 552641833 : USMCR : 1stLT : O2 : 7562 (H-46) : 24 : ALHAMBRA : CA : 19700922 : hostile, crash, land : AircraftCommander : body recovered : Quang Nam (Da Nang) : 03 : 19450927 : Cauc : Catholic/married : 07W : 083

KIMBROUGH HAROLD BRUCE : 429847576 : USMCR : 1stLT : O2 : 7562 (H-46) : 24 : BATESVILLE : AR : 19700922 : hostile, crash, land : Crew : body recovered : Quang Nam (Da Nang) : 03 : 19460412 : Cauc : Protestant/married : 07W : 084

SMITH FREDERICK JOSEPH : 183389545 : USMC : LCPL : E3 : 6055 : 22 : PITTSBURGH : PA : 19700922 : hostile, crash, land : Crew : body recovered :Quang Nam (Da Nang) : 02 : 19480823 : Cauc : Roman Catholic/single : 07W : 085

TEFFS JAMES RICHARD : 440465403 : USMC : CPL : E4 : 6242 : 22 : TULSA : OK : 19700922 : hostile, crash, land : Crew : body recovered : Quang Nam (Da Nang) : 03 : 19471110 : Cauc : Roman Catholic/single : 07W : 085

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Personal Narrative:
I was originally assigned that mission as gunner, but had been on active stand-by all that day for possible missions into Laos. Fred Smith, who had only recently completed his gunner qualifications offered to take the later medevac standby mission for me. At the time it was unusual for a standby medevac mission to launch as our squadron (262) normally had two reliable 46's already available as primary birds. The stand-by was merely a back-up.

As it happened, I was around the flight ops area when the decision to launch the stand-by choppers. Although it drew red flags in my mind, nothing really clicked until later. As not only being a gunner, I was also assigned to the Hydraulics Maintenance Department and we had been working off and on for the day on a landing gear problem with one of our other birds. I had gone out to the flight deck when they were checking the work on the gear problem that night. Anyway, we had fired up this bird and was not only toying with the repaired landing gear but were somewhat monitoring radio traffic.

I listened as a ROK compound was messaging that a chopper had gone down in flames and that they were going to try to secure the area. It wasn't but a few minutes later that we were informed that ET-13 had gone down. I should have been on that ship, Fred Smith should have been safe in his rack back at his hootch. I knew and had flown with all the other members of that ill-fated flight. Beach, especially, the crew chief.

Sgt. Beach was a leader, had a couple of tours under his belt, in fact as I recall, I was thinking he was on his third. A confident crew-chief and was highly regarded. Our Squadron, the following day, launched two choppers for the recovery mission, and I know a few details of that although I was refused permission to play an active part for personal reasons. Later reports were just that the ship had gone down in flames and the recovery team found evidence that all fire extinguishers had been used indicating that the flight crew had done their best in the true tradition of the Marines.

The last I heard there were conflicting reports that the bird had been brought down by ground fire or by mechanical problems. I think the ROK's had reported tracer fire from the gound, but who knows?
Submitted by Bob Cunningham, HMM-262 Combat Air Crew

First Hand Narrative:
Leo was a fine young man, he always had a smile on his face. He was one of the best crew chiefs that HMM-262 EVER had. He would never back down from a mission; he was always there at night making sure his bird flew a good mission the next day, not just a re-supply.

This day Leo was scheduled to be off duty. I was posting the crews for that night and the next days flights. One of the youngest crew chiefs was posted to fly that mission but it was his birthday and asked me to let him off that night to drink a beer for his birthday. We did this sometimes for our crew members so I agreed and assigned Leo to take his place for the flight.

Leo came to me and said he really didn't want to fly the mission, somthing just didn't feel right about it. We talked a few minutes and Leo felt better about it and decided to fly.

For 37 years I have thought about this; Leo please forgive me. To his family I ask you to please find it in your heart to forgive me. We were in a war, and in wars, decisions were sometimes made by very young men, made not knowing that we would have to live with these decisions for the rest of our lives.

Submitted by Larry B. Greene, Flight Scheduler.

Personal Recollection:
Jim Teffs and I were in the same shop and we worked on many aircraft troubles together. It seems like a life time ago that we sat on the stub wing of bird sharing our thoughts about the future. Jim was a happy-go-lucky person from a part of the country that was so differnt from where I lived. We became friends and brothers in a war that made us all age quickly. I only wish that Jim had a chance to enjoy life. May Jim and all fallen Marines rest in peace. Semper Fi
Submitted by Lawrence W Sullivan, Member of HMM-262

Personal Narrative:
I am 1stLt William Stanley Davis' only child. I was born on May 29, 1970, and my father died on September 22, 1970. I do not know anything about my father, and would like to hear from any surviving US Marines who did.
Submitted by Heather Davis Fabbro, My father

Sgt Leo Albert Beach Jr.:

 
Posted : 2010-09-15 23:50
dorgnr70
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Hey Greeney

You not only did the schedule - you also flew the missions. I seem to recall an incident a couple of weeks prior to this one in the Arizona Territory where you were shot in the heel and the Co's bird was shot down, our co-pilot was shot (from group). You guys stayed in the zone while we flew back to 1st MED with fuel streaming behind us - we ran out there. You should have no guilt on this one, neither should Shelton. Our number was just not up yet. I spoke to Heather (Bill's daughter) and told her that any number of us would have changed places with any member of that crew

 
Posted : 2010-09-15 23:58
Ray Norton
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The issue as I see it...

... is the number 13. You will recall from the narrative that it was ET-13 that burned.

Personally, myself and other crew had a particularly bad day on Sep 5, 1970. We were forced down near Spider Lake and had to get a ride home.

Our aircraft was EG-13.

Just two days before, on the 3rd, an Army pilot advised me that the Army does not use 13. It is considered bad luck.

So, there you have it.

The three variables of war remain; weather, terrain, luck. As the "house" you should stack the cards in your favor!

/s/ray

Raymond J. Norton

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Posted : 2010-09-16 08:21
Dale-A-Riley
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It all depends

ET-13 was good to me, right up to the last day and she still kept me going.

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Posted : 2010-09-16 13:03
Anonymous
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I crewed VS13 for 4 plus months she never let me down

 
Posted : 2010-09-16 19:41
Ray Norton
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Actually...

...EG-13 did not let us down. It was the bad guys that got us. AND it was the Crew Chief, as is often the case, who was the hero.:)

On a related matter, the space craft that was headed for the Moon but was forced to make an emergency return in 1970 was Apollo 13.:rolleyes:

/s/ray

Raymond J. Norton

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Norfolk, VA 23509-1313

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Posted : 2010-09-16 20:27
timothy
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13 is a good number for me, even got married on a Friday 13th Nov 70. Coming up on 40 years!

 
Posted : 2010-09-17 07:14
Anonymous
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I crewed EM-13 and as of a few years ago. it was still flying out of New River.

 
Posted : 2010-09-18 09:39
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