I looked through some of my books and came up with this in "Marines and Helicopters 1962-1973" Library of Congress Card No. 76-600052; PCN 190 003074 00----no ISBN number.

On page 83--- a short recount of helos shooting in Korea. "The crews could shoot back. One of the earliest examples of a helicopter crewman firing at the enemy was recorded in 1952. Staff Sergeant Leo A. Masud in Korea had used a sniper rifle from a CH-19. The accuracy obtained from shooting out the door of that unstable, premitive helicopter, unfortunitanitly, was not recorded. Vietnam was somewhat different."

No pictures.

I shot my .38 pistol and an M-79 out the side window of a Huey, so I am sure many helo crew men shot individual weapons whenever they thought that type of fire was necessary with whatever weapon was at hsnd.

Wow thanks for the info!Im primarily looking for info on possible field modifications. ie. mgs welded to the craft,but thank you for this invaluble information!really kool!
Thanks for replying to my thread.

MGs welded to Aircraft?

Anthony,
You need to remember that helicopters were in their infant stages for military use in Korea. Everyone was spending a lot of hours just learning how to fly and maintain them. Modifications weren't in the mix for a time, unless it helped us to improve one or the other, flying or fixing!
There were some UH-34D's from HMM-365 in Viet Nam, during the early years, that were purported to be the first Marine helo "gunship" according to Marine Aviation publications I have read over the years

If Paul Moore reads this he'll let us know, since he was a Line Chief in Korea. I'll see if I can contact him and see what he might have to say on the subject. He has definately been there and done that!!

H19 Gun Mounts

I was in VMO-6 that used the Bell HTL & The HO5S of course we only hauled casualties & 1 st Div personnel , observation etc. I mostly saw H19 from the original 161 Sqd in flight. Not sure about the Welding question for the 50 cal door gun. Only welding I could picture would be possiibly the mount for the gun. I will try & contact my old friend if he is still alive & see what he can tell. Only had photo of H19 in flight during Korea. SF PM

wow guys thanks for the replyes.i know that my grandpa has said that 90%of the helios we used for medivac,and something like 10% he estimated had guns.i know sbout the H-34 in nam.i have a few pics of those my self,im just having a hard time finding any info about any field modifications on the H-19. thank you guys for the info.:)ill keep you posted if i find any thing out.

I doubt there was anything like a 50cal mounted on any Korea era helicopters. We got to Nam in Dec of 66 with our CH-46 squadron and the most powerful gun we could mount was the M-60. The gun mounts were soon beefed up to take the 50cal and I'll tell you once you used a 50cal you didn't want the M-60 anymore! We learned to fall in love with the 50cal and the gooks learned to keep their heads down.
S/F
Tim

timothy;20594 wrote: I doubt there was anything like a 50cal mounted on any Korea era helicopters. We got to Nam in Dec of 66 with our CH-46 squadron and the most powerful gun we could mount was the M-60. The gun mounts were soon beefed up to take the 50cal and I'll tell you once you used a 50cal you didn't want the M-60 anymore! We learned to fall in love with the 50cal and the gooks learned to keep their heads down.
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Tim

lol ill bet they did!well i was thinking that most likely it was .30.cals on them at the least.the problem is that my grandpa had some pics from when he was over there with the h-19'sbut he let a relitive borrow his war pics and never got them back sadly.:(well hopefully i will find some ond with knowledge of them.thanks for the replys again.:)

.50 Cal!

Those .50's were sure an improvement weren't they Tim??!! WOW! Charlie would really keep his head down when those boys were speaking!

Yea Joe and I thought it was me they were afraid of!
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Tim

he he,thats funny.well fellas i still have not found any pics as of yet,but im still looking.any help would be great.:)

Old 161 Korea Marine Question 50 MG

Tried to call my old friend Msgt Stud Schmidt in Tustin. Just as I was worried about , "sorry number no longer in service"! Too many of those in last year!! SF PM

pm3777;20635 wrote: Tried to call my old friend Msgt Stud Schmidt in Tustin. Just as I was worried about , "sorry number no longer in service"! Too many of those in last year!! SF PM

sorry that you couldnt contact your friend.well im still looking for pics,so ill let you know if i do find any.

no use at all.does any 1 know if they even had h-19's with mg's?my grand pa said yes but i cant find any at all!im sure that he is telling me the truth.i know he is still of sound mind and not scenile.i just cant understand why i cant find a thing out about those awesome first gunships(if you could call them that).but still im pretty sure that it was only made by field modifications.no factory implementations.plz i would like to lat my grandpa know that i have found info on the subject.

Have you tried

this site: http://www.koreanwar.org/html/units/usmc/hmr163.htm

I stumbled across it tonight and it appears that a number of guys have posted on there. You might want to try it.

WOW!Thanks for the info!i checked em out so mabey ill get a reply soon.really it means a lot to me the help that you fellas have given me.well if you guys have any grand kids that want to know what we are tring to do over at my german friends site,send them by for an interestin way of learning their fathers history and why it wont be a forgotten war!

http://www.bf-korea.com/

its sure to be a hit with the kids of the video game generation.its not finished yet but its going to be the ultimate tribute to the Korean War Vets.

oh by the way...its a modification for a game called ''Battlefield 2''if they own the game then they dont have to worry,modifications are always free.its just the best way to learn for kids now days short attention span.lol.

well thanks again and ill still be checking back here a few time a week as useual.

I was in HMR161 IN kOREA jAN 53 -55. I flew as crew chief on an HRS 2 [H19] up at Musan-ne. I carried a 45 and a 38 pistol . Yes there times we fired them. I can't remember any weapons mounted in any of our Helo's. You might check with Charley Allen he was there the same time I was. He's should be listed on popasmoke. If you can't find his email address let me know. I keep in touch with him.