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  • #16
    NAP's

    When I reported to HMH-462 at Santa Ana during March 1968, I was living in the SNCO quarters and in the room next to mine was a Master Sergeant, Naval Aviator who was also the Tower Chief, I think. He had many wild stories of WW II, Korea and Vietnam. He had been enlisted, Warrant, enlisted, LDO, and back to enlisted. I only knew him about 3 months as I went to Phu Bai with the advanced party for HMH-462 in July, but he was still flying in 1968 and was part of an all enlisted crew that flew the station R4 down to Yuma with spare part(s) for one of the new 53's coming back from the factory in 1968.

    Semper Fi

    Duke Dearing
    HMH-462 1968-69
    "Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The Way" - Semper Fi - Duke

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    • #17
      Enlisted pilot

      I was a friend of MGYST Bob Lurie, and father of Bob Lurie Jr (KIA) VMO-2 1968.
      He was one of the last enlisted pilots with 20000+ hours and over 15 years at the top enlisted grade. The way I remember it was there were 4 enlisted pilots left in the early 70's. They kept extending year to year at CMC's discretion since they all had over 30 years in. Finally CMC made them all retire at the same time. I believe that date was 30 June 1973 at Cherry Pt. I could be off a year.
      Duke Lind

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      • #18
        (Flying) Sgt Major H. Beardon

        I've just run across this old post about Sgt. Major Beardon. I reported to VMO-1 in Sept 1966 as a newly minted 2ndLt (Mustang w/9 yrs service), and newly designated Naval Aviator. Sgt Major Beardon was still flying, in fact I flew at least one hop with him (I'm scrambiling to find my log books). I was a new, but not that young (26), officer and because of my prior enlisted time the Sgt Major 'cut me a huss' in terms of attitude. I remember him as a physically big man, probably excused from the PFT.

        The other 'newbies' I trained with in VMO-1 were Paul Marquard, Ben Brenneman, Joe Cestare, Jeff Pickett, Dick Gregson. The CO was LtCol Phil Crosswaite and the XO Maj George Dunn.

        During my enlisted time, 1957-1964, I was a hydraulic mech with H&MS 24 at Cherry Point, and later with VMA-331 at Beaufort. I saw several NAPs of the time, but don't recall their names. Mag 24 was still flying Furies, Cougars, Sky Raiders, and of course, Goonie Birds! Time flies...
        God bless, and...

        Semper Fi!
        Bill Miles

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        • #19
          MSGT Baker?

          Bill,
          Dosen't anyone else remember MSGT Baker? (Not sure I have his rank right.) He was an enlisted pilot that I flew with some at New River in 1966.
          BB

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          • #20
            Flying Peon at CamPen 1968

            Although I was an electrician, I was working for the VMO-5/HML-267 SgtMaj (WT Boyland) at MCALF CamPen sometime in 1968. One day, he told me to come with him. We went down to the pad in front of the hangar as an R4D taxied up. He waved at the pilot and they exchanged extreme vulgarities as the pilot came over to meet Boyland. As I remember the R4D was from ElToro and had some VIP pax.

            I was startled to see that the pilot was an E-9 (can't remember which) and his name was Rip Schroeder, as I remember. I went back to work. Top Boyland later told me Schroeder (I think that was his name) was one of the last enlisted pilots in the Corps.

            I was astounded to see a G-1 flight jacket sell a year or so ago on Ebay with Rip Schroeder's name tag on it, a Flying Peon patch, and 3 or 4 Korean coins on the leather zipper pull. The item description said it was customary for Korean war pilots to add one coin for each landing on Korean soil.

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            • #21
              Enlisted Pilots

              Seems I remember flying with a CWO-4 Anderson with HMH-463 around 76-79. Gunnar Anderson ran the night crew but was a very experienced pilot on the Ch-53. I flew with Gunnar Anderson many times. Seems like Gunnar told me that he was an enlisted man around the Korean conflict? Thanks

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              • #22
                NAP Classes (Enlisted pilots)

                Looking in the Roster for Enlisted Pilots Association there are 3 Andersons listed: Arthur M. Anderson Class 66-47, John V. Anderson Class 50-46 & Robert J. Anderson Class 56-43. Dont see A Gunnar maybe that was an moniker added later in the Marine Corps. I was in the class 45 & was to complete in 47 but took a year out of the Corps & missed the last 47 class. SF PM

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                • #23
                  Enlisted Pilots

                  PM,

                  I apologize in that his name was not Gunnar Anderson. As a CWO we called him Gunner! My mistake..It seems to me his name may have been John but he told me that he he joined military around Korean War. He was still flying Ch-53's Jolly Green Giants with HMH463 in 1979. Thanks

                  Rick Brohmer
                  Sgt HMH463
                  USMC

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                  • #24
                    CWO4 Harding

                    When I checked into VMO1 in late 1968, there was a CWO4 Harding flying OV10s and HUEYs. He told me one day while waiting his co-pilot for a test hop that he was in the original VMO1 at Guadalcanal and was going to retire soon. He originally flew OY-1 observation planes out of Henderson Field. When he did retire, all of MAG26 and half of Naval Operations.

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                    • #25
                      Msgt. Baker

                      Originally posted by ben.brenneman
                      Bill,
                      Dosen't anyone else remember MSGT Baker? (Not sure I have his rank right.) He was an enlisted pilot that I flew with some at New River in 1966.
                      BB
                      Ben...just read your post from 3 October (it's 29 November)...yes, I remember Msgt. Baker...and I believe I flew with him also. GB&SF! Bill
                      God bless, and...

                      Semper Fi!
                      Bill Miles

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                      • #26
                        Re: Flying Peon at CamPen 1968

                        Originally posted by swcbob1@aol.com View Post
                        Although I was an electrician, I was working for the VMO-5/HML-267 SgtMaj (WT Boyland) at MCALF CamPen sometime in 1968. One day, he told me to come with him. We went down to the pad in front of the hangar as an R4D taxied up. He waved at the pilot and they exchanged extreme vulgarities as the pilot came over to meet Boyland. As I remember the R4D was from ElToro and had some VIP pax.

                        I was startled to see that the pilot was an E-9 (can't remember which) and his name was Rip Schroeder, as I remember. I went back to work. Top Boyland later told me Schroeder (I think that was his name) was one of the last enlisted pilots in the Corps.

                        I was astounded to see a G-1 flight jacket sell a year or so ago on Ebay with Rip Schroeder's name tag on it, a Flying Peon patch, and 3 or 4 Korean coins on the leather zipper pull. The item description said it was customary for Korean war pilots to add one coin for each landing on Korean soil.
                        EUREKA--- of all people Bob Hughes posted this--- A Marine that I served with at Campen (VMO-5/HML-267 & VMO-6 Quang Tri. Bob--last year a Marine I served with at NAS South Weymouth MA,( 1970's) Sgt Owen McNiff (retired as US Army CWO-4 helo driver) emailed me and stated that there was a flight jacket for sale with the patch M/GYSGT Rip Schrader USMC. I searched around for a while and no joy r/t who this man was. Recently the search engines are adding more info.. Owen (Omar to friends) sent the jacket to me. It's the real deal. Now that I know it is authentic---and it definitely is WWII/Korea vintage I can get Pensacola Air Museum or perhaps the USMC Heritage Museum to display some interest. Funny this guy would be a friend of Sgt Maj William Boyland---I always knew that man would come back to haunt me!
                        Last edited by Tom Constantine; 05-27-2014, 10:16.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Sgt Major Pilot

                          Tom cannot find the name Schroeder in the NAP Reunion rosters. Found Schaeffer class 52-46 & Schrader Class 36-47. However many NAP enlisted came to that rank from comissioned pilots that came back to active duty as enlisted in order to get back in flight status . Many came back as Warrant O or were promoted to WO from enlisted. In 1948 CMC came out with a list of reductions VS promtion s of about 800 where some were field grade & Msgts back to TSgt !! They had the option of TSgt or out of the Corp. Also I recall back WW2 couple NCOs in VMO-6 that had expieriece they got just from unauthorized flight time in the OY were given their wings by special order from CMC with out attending Flight training. The NAP Roster contains only those that attended NAP training.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Sgt Major Pilot

                            While serving in HMR(C)263 in the late 50's we had two NAP'S. MSGT BOB DEVITT and TSGT KAYODES (spelling?) and MSGT BAKER flew with us although I don't think he
                            was 263 member. I believe MSGT BAKER flew the HOK's and DEVITT and KAYODES flew both the HOK's and the HRS-3's



                            BOB ADAMS
                            1stSGT RET>

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                            • #29
                              Re: Sgt Major Pilot

                              Devitt was in Class 4-46, Two Bakers Frank Class 130-47,Graydon Class 51-47. Kayodes not listed as graduating NAP Possible one of the NAVCADS that came back as a Tsgt . Edit. found a Kozachick Class 42-45. No names with K closer. SF PM
                              Last edited by paulmoore; 05-27-2014, 22:37.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Sgt Major Pilot

                                Originally posted by paulmoore View Post
                                Devitt was in Class 4-46, Two Bakers Frank Class 130-47,Graydon Class 51-47. Kayodes not listed as graduating NAP Possible one of the NAVCADS that came back as a Tsgt . Edit. found a Kozachick Class 42-45. No names with K closer. SF PM
                                Paul, you should remember CWO Catron (not sure of the spelling) and CWO BJ Bjornaas both were flying enlisted. Up and down the ranks. They were flying CH-37's at Santa Ana when I arrived in 61 and I think they were still there when I arrived back again in 63. Gunner Catron won a lottery and retired and Gunner BJ retired later.

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