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MV-22 and "HOT LZ's"

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  • #16
    I was with HMM-262 for the aft pylon mod too, but let's see if we can get Walt to comment on it.
    S/F
    Tim
    Semper Fi
    Tim

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    • #17
      I returned from leave on 31 Aug 1967 and on that day 262 lost ET 35 as the aft pylon separated from the AC. All the 46's in country where grounded except for emergency flights. At the end of Sept 1967 we headed for Okinawa with about 65 AC. The first 10 AC ran through the mod where HMM 262 birds ,they embarked aboard the Tripoli and headed back to the war. We received manpower help from the other squadrons and we received really good men from them not the s***birds.
      I was told the main problem was that the CH46A was all most the same as a New York Airways bird. No one thought about the hard landings, rough terrine or using hover aft as a speed brake. Another thing was when 262 arrived in country the wing had us remove the ramp and some of the amour to make what we called a slick which was used to pick up downed 34's and Huies. ET 35 was one of those. We finished the mod and sailed back to the war on Dec 30th and arrived at Dang Nang on Jan 3 1968 , the detachment from the ship met us there,from there we went to Quang Tri the next day to our new home. SF

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      • #18
        Ramps

        Walt,

        I've never heard about the ramps being taken off -

        Did any of the operational squadrons fly the AC without the ramp for missions other that recovery frags? Anybody got a pic?

        Semper Fi

        Tom

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        • #19
          CH-46 "Slicks"!

          Walt,
          I knew, as did Tim, that you'd have some info for us on this subject!
          I remember Dulligan reaming us out in HMM-165 for even considering the ramp removal deal as it was a prime factor in weakening the rear structure, and according to John, was a strong factor in aft pylon incidents! We needed no more encouragement to forget the idea, even though it was pretty well reinforced with cargo webing to prevent "flex" etc. Sure was a weight saver too! Still, we are alive, and went home as a testament to John's dedication and knowledge of our beloved Phrogs!
          Semper Fidelis
          Joe


          Phu Bai tower:
          YW-11 for Phu Bai DASC-
          Remember, These are "A" models!
          YW-11 BuNo-151939
          '65 Model CH-46A

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          • #20
            CH-46 Slicks-Gunships

            Joe,

            I remember hearing about a "Stinger" configuration where a .50 was mounted on the ramp and used in flight. I know that it was used on the 53's but also heard about it being done on the 46.

            S/F

            Tom
            Last edited by Tom Thompson; 11-20-2006, 19:19. Reason: Grammar

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            • #21
              "Stinger"

              You betcha, Tom! Didn't fly long but it was there. I think HMM-262 had one as well. This was before we had .50 cals and I recall it was an M-60, like our side guns of the day. Maybe late 1967 or early 1968.
              Semper Fidelis
              Joe


              Phu Bai tower:
              YW-11 for Phu Bai DASC-
              Remember, These are "A" models!
              YW-11 BuNo-151939
              '65 Model CH-46A

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              • #22
                Gun Ship

                Tom & Joe

                I remember running with four .50 cals, two out each side and the M60 on the ramp.

                Semper Fi

                Bruce "Howdy" Mayor HMM-161 '69-'70

                Semper Fi


                Bruce "Howdy" Mayor HMM-161 '69-'70

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                • #23
                  Phrog Slick

                  I recall flying only once in our (HMM-262) Slick on a simple re-supply mission while my A/C was down for some reason. I remember very vividly that it was a weird feeing to fly with no aft ramp or hatch. My fellow Crew Chief had rigged a couple of cargo straps across the back but it still felt very strange to be in the air with the whole back end of the the A/C hanging out in the open.

                  Walt: Correct me if I am wrong, but I'm pretty sure that ET-35 was originally the Skipper's bird with Sgt. Bob Brooks as the Crew Chief, until his was sent Stateside. Then, Jim White "JAW" took it over. The last time I saw "The JAW", a couple of years ago, he had a picture of her hanging on his wall. I didn't know she had become the squadron Slick. Thanks for the trivia update.
                  Joseph "Jake" Jacobs
                  HMM-262 Combat Helicopter Association

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                  • #24
                    Four 50's

                    Howdy,
                    The memories just keep on coming 'cause we set up a four 50's unit/gunbird, too! There were metal stands holding up the rearmost 50's with significant stop/limiters as you swung forward toward the stub wing. No stinger on this one. We had already been chastized by Dulligan for the ramp deal. LOL! Seems like Ashau Valley was the area targeted for gunbird use. Couldn't carry much cargo or medevacs in this configuration though. Greater need won out over greater fun and firepower. I have a picture some place....I'll try to find it and post it.
                    Ever fly with Fred Breese (Covington, La.) or John Allison (Arkansas)? Some good HAC's in your outfit too. Bob Quinter, Bo Honeycutt? Any of these names familiar?
                    Semper Fidelis
                    Joe


                    Phu Bai tower:
                    YW-11 for Phu Bai DASC-
                    Remember, These are "A" models!
                    YW-11 BuNo-151939
                    '65 Model CH-46A

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                    • #25
                      Bob Quinter & Bo Honeycutt

                      Joe

                      I just had a nice email conversation a few weeks ago with Bob Quinter. He happened upon my stepsons blog. He had done an interview with me for Veterans Day '05 http://egelnest.blogspot.com/2005/11...aywith-my.html. I sent him a copy of an after action report letting him know I had his six o'clock covered.

                      Bo Honeycutt does sound familar, but after all these years, you know how that is.

                      Semper Fi

                      Bruce "Howdy" Mayor HMM-161 '69-'70
                      Last edited by Howdy; 11-24-2006, 10:36. Reason: removing parentheses so link works

                      Semper Fi


                      Bruce "Howdy" Mayor HMM-161 '69-'70

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                      • #26
                        Thread: MV-22 and "HOT LZ's" Reply to Thread

                        Howdy and others...the link above somehow got cut off...to visit the blog interview visit here.

                        http://egelnest.blogspot.com/2005/11...aywith-my.html

                        Thanks,

                        Son of a Vet (Bradley)

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