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  • USMC/ Combat Helicopter Association

    Just received the latest issue of Pop A Smoke. I believe that Roger (our elder statesman) is right on point and I am in total agreement with him. What an excellent way to assure that our organization will continue it's legacy. Besides, I really like the proposed name, which signifies us as members of a very unique group.

    Oddly enough, I just had a conversation with some of the members of the local VFW Post. They were concerned about their dwindling membership and wondered why there were so few Vietnam Veterans willing to join. Having had the same experience as Charlie Maddocks, I reminded them that if they hadn't been such rotten pr***s to us when we returned from combat maybe they would have more members.


    Way to go Rog, what a great idea.

    Semper Fi All

  • #2
    Latest

    Presume the latest must be the title apparently changed. Having been there WWII, Korea , Vietnam +couple operations I never could distinguish the difference , a Veteran was a Veteran. Never was present for the returing celebrations or spitting idiots as the case might have been. As a USMC regular had my tours extended for occupation etc. However when I attended the WWII reunions found that most of them only served during that 4 year period and were isolated pretty much from any other conflict. The Korean group pretty much felt like it was a forgotten war and seldom participated in reunions. I found that I had progressed through these periods and felt more at home with the Vietnam veterans. I am sure that some others like Col Clapp felt the same. We have heard very little on the NOTAM Board from that particular group and I am aware only to well that we are a small & disappearing group. Most I served with in later years were the age of my sons & daughters. I considered them as my sons & brothers. Hope that whatever the changes are that this organization will accept each of us as individuals in a close family & hear our voices!! Semper Fi PM

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    • #3
      I served 4 tours in Vietnam (67-71) flying as a Crew Chief in all of them earning my Combat Air Crew Wings over and over again crewing UH-34Ds, UH-1E Gunships and CH-46s.

      I had the extraordinary privilege of doing in all over again in Grenada and Beirut as a Crew Chief in UH-1N Gunships and CH-46s.

      I was present and "PROUD" to participate in the awarding of the Combat Air Crew Wings to 35 enlisted Marines of HMM-261 for Combat action in Grenada and Beirut , HMM-261 lost CH-46s, AH-1T Tow Cobras and CH-53S along with three KIA Pilots and a number of wounded. Having experienced first hand Combat in Vietnam over 4 different years in three different types of Helicopters, I am PROUD to sit in the company of those Combat Air Crew that followed us after Vietnam.

      I would be PROUD to welcome those Air Crews, Officer and Enlisted as POPASMOKE Combat Air Crew BROTHERS.
      Semper Fidelis

      George T. Curtis

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      • #4
        Having read the proposal, I agree whole heartly. George is correct (as usual). Let act on this.
        Bill Edwards

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        • #5
          Well put MGySgt Curtis, the FNG's Combat Air Crews desire our respect and welcome. They are flying in harms way to keep a world free to say what we want on this site and wherever. I Thank Them.
          Top C thank you for all your tours, you let someone stay home.
          I was in Oki when Gernada went down, we knew little about it, but knew something was happening from increased combat training.
          I also agree wiyh the post VFW was going to join at Whidbey Island in 73/74 but got trash about how NAm Vets were not vets but killers etc from some WWII people so told them to stick it, Have no loca one here so sent email to their site and asked how do I find closet one, got all different reason why no one could tell, just an long distance phone nr not toll free.
          top A

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          • #6
            I think that the name change and the gesture of inclusion is great. We can and should welcome these new "salts"; they are doing what we did, and I'll bet most of us envy them. We may have aged out, but we're not "armchair commandoes".

            As long as they can spell UH-34, and pay appropriate homage to the origins of this association of characters, then they should be welcomed aboard.

            Maybe they'll even put some character and fresh approaches into the dialogues that may evolve. It would be welcome.

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            • #7
              I have a simple question. Why limit the proposed expansion to "combat" Marines? What exactly qualifies as "combat" - feet dry on some operation, or just in the carrier task force, or what else? In other words, why not include all Marine Helo veterans?

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              • #8
                Marine Helos

                Ben,
                This Association has always welcomed brother and sister Marines with open arms. The previous criteria was Marines, Helicopters or Vietnam. Now it includes Combat from all eras, officially. The Helicopter folks, Pilots and Crews have always been welcome here. Although I have yet to receive my new newsletter that everyone is talking about, that is my understanding.
                Welcome aboard.
                Semper Fi
                Joe
                Semper Fidelis
                Joe


                Phu Bai tower:
                YW-11 for Phu Bai DASC-
                Remember, These are "A" models!
                YW-11 BuNo-151939
                '65 Model CH-46A

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                • #9
                  I think welcoming our younger brother's into our organization is long over due. As it was said earlier we envy them, and I for one admire them. I work for NADep Cherry Point as a CH-53E mechanic and have the pleasure to work along side several Iraqi Freedom veterans and they are no different than we were when we came home. Not all who served in the theater had the priviledge to crew aircraft or pilot them, but they supported them and they should be welcomme as well.

                  Welcome Marine Brothers and Sisters !!!

                  Semper Fi, K.D. Logue

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                  • #10
                    USMC/Vietnam Helicopter Association~~!

                    When I joined in 1998 it was because the servicemen & women "were special", fighting on foreign soil & America fighting against us, calling us baby killers & murders. It was an "unpopular" war, but we followed orders & did our duty. Todays wars are american approved & present a whole different approach to the new serviceman & women. Let them form there own group, we will :ALWAYS: be Vietnam Veterans & damn proud of it~~~!

                    The "whole" world knows us as USMC/Vietnam Helicopter Association or "Pop A Smoke"~~!

                    Why change a "good" name for a new name?

                    I DON'T agree that the name should be changed, Pop A Smoke is Pop A Smoke~~!
                    Last edited by Bull79Dog; 06-24-2004, 22:27.
                    **GySgt [J.D.] MACK McKernan {Retired}**
                    {VMO-6, Quang Tri} **{Mar69-Mar70}**

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                    • #11
                      Pop A Smoke

                      Pop A Smoke is the web site name and that wouldn't change, as I understand it.

                      Semper Fi
                      Joe
                      Semper Fidelis
                      Joe


                      Phu Bai tower:
                      YW-11 for Phu Bai DASC-
                      Remember, These are "A" models!
                      YW-11 BuNo-151939
                      '65 Model CH-46A

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                      • #12
                        Thank you fellow Marines

                        I would like to thank all of you for allowing us FNG's to join this organization. When I was told about this site I did not think I could become a member because I did not serve in Viet Nam. But as I read the posts in the NOTAM board I found that I have had some of the same experiences, I decided to submit my application to join and was accepted into this prestigious group of Marines. I have been a crewchief on the CH-53D while on active duty and on the UH-1N while in the reserves. I had the privaledge to work with and learn from many Viet Nam veterans. Most of my knowledge of the CH-53D came from Marines that flew and worked on them in Viet Nam. For that I am thankful, the knowledge I gained from these Marines has stayed with me through the years and to this day I could still fire up the APU and do my pre-flight checks. While in Desert Storm my C.O. was Al Boudreaux a Viet Nam UH-34/CH-46 pilot. In addition to Col. Boudreaux, we still had a few senior enlisted Viet Nam vets in the squadron, they all contributed to our success as a unit and we all learned from them. They calmed the fears and concerns of some of our younger Marines, and were determined not to let us make mistakes that would get us killed. Thanks for letting me ramble on, I am proud to be a member of this organization, no matter what it's name is. Semper Fi.

                        Chris Breaux
                        Crewchief UH-1N, CH-53D
                        HML-767, HMH-362, HMM-261, HMH-461
                        Garfield411
                        UH-1N and CH-53D
                        Crewchief

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                        • #13
                          I do not believe there is any thought of changing the POP A SMOKE name.

                          The idea put forth as I read it is to open "Full Membership" up to the USMC Helicopter types and their support personnel like Corpsman and Flight Surgeons that have served the USMC Helicopter community in Combat since Vietnam to include Marines serving in Helicopter Units of all MOSs.

                          As I read the newsletter, I believe the name change to USMC Combat Helicopter Association in place of USMC Vietnam Helicopter Association is a simple welcome mat put forth to open our ranks of Full Membership to these Combat Brothers.
                          Semper Fidelis

                          George T. Curtis

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                          • #14
                            Marines - Helicopters - Combat

                            Good reply, Curt. I welcome the opportunity to agree with you.

                            Despite Mack's caution, and as Joe Reed well pointed out, Pop A Smoke is merely the name of this site, not of our Association.

                            The Association has evolved and expanded to be more properly inclusive from the very start and has had name changes in order to reflect that. Originally, it was just for pilots - Roger and some of his cohorts. Then, realizing that we were never alone, the white knights of the cockpit, we made sure that we included our aircrews. Since avionics, metalshop, etc. was all essential in getting our butts into the air, accomplishing the mission, and safely rtb, we became an organization to include all who were involved in our common bond: Marines, Helicopters, Vietnam. That was our focus, our raison d'etre.

                            Now that our sons, the next generation of Marines, are undergoing the same experience of sucking up the seat cushion, of being burned from the hot brass as they throw out fire, it is not only proper, but consistent with the spirit of our charter, that we include them.

                            We don't exist for the purposes of wannabes, camp followers, curiosity seekers, and non-hackers. That is the tail wagging the dog. They may perhaps follow along, as the tail does with the dog, but they should remain at the appropriate end of the dog.

                            Ours was a unique experience that is now being renewed by a new breed being Marines in the face of the enemy. Let's keep that focus: Marines - Helicopters - Combat.

                            In our case, it's an eligibility earned a long time ago by having been through a crucible. It is being renewed today by a new breed in the Middle East. And really, as they conduct themselves with dedication to duty, courage and honor, they are part of an unbroken line.

                            We need to welcome them or we deny ourselves. They might bring a shake and wake to an increasingly moribund group, bringing with them the fire of recently shared experience and the why and the how of it.

                            Not to be "elitist", but we lose our unique being if we do not restrict membership and opinionated participation to those who have served in combat active helicopter operations, to include, of course, support roles.

                            Welcome aboard, New Breed. We're proud of you, we envy you, and you keep our long-ago role relevant.

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                            • #15
                              Membership

                              Larry you posed a question that many have wondered about. You than asked the same question many have asked. Where are the voices of the lost members?? Looks like that is the problem. The term "Full membership" should include the consideration of these Marines imputs. Does not require that each time there is a disagreement that the established program would be changed. The Marine Corps I knew had a cross section of Marines all with their views , but still all Marines with a common bond. Seems like a good idea to include Marines that are serving now as we all have at some period . As KD said we envy those that are in active service & know that they carry on with the efforts that all of us gave to the Corps. Seems "Communication & Consideration" as Marines & for Marines should take priority over "policticaly correctness". " Combat Helicopter Association" This suggests an elite Helicopter group. There is a lot of leeway as to which Helicopter missions are classified as "Combat". Med evacs VS gunship, resupply , insertions. Too much that is subjective to administrative orders. When you are being shot at and completing your assigned task , expect you think perhaps this might be combat !!! So much for this voice from the ancient past. Semper Fi PM

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